Eliciting values - the answers <<< >>> NYC, ASF: "Do all this [asking questions, eliciting values] BEFORE telling her about yourself. Then selectively edit or FABRICATE your existence to always fit the things that she told you HERSELF are positive things and AVOID what she told you HERSELF are negative things. Some chicks like aggressive men and some like passive men that they can cuddle with and EVENTUALLY have sex with. Find out FIRST which one she wants and THEN project that image to her. What happens is that she notices that you are displaying many traits that she looks for in a sex-partner and none of the negative traits that she uses to weed guys out. She keeps thinking about this and reinforces it in her own mind and decides that you are right for her to fuck. In this situation, how you REALLY FEEL is irrelevant. You are tailoring your personality to her tastes in order to BE THAT MAN that she wants to fuck and she will see it in you and your job will be much easier than if you explained your true nature to her and took the "pot luck" chance that she likes ANY of your real traits. The point of that is you need to separate yourself from other guys talking about bullshit. Chicks hear the same thing all the time. If you can demonstrate that you are interesting and unique, she will WANT to be in touch with you and WANT you to call her. If you don't convey value to her (making her laugh, making her feel sexy, etc.) there is no reason to believe that she will give you her number when you leave." Her favourite pastimes and hobbies can also be useful. ASF: "You found out something she likes to do, i.e. jetski. Again this is a means value. Find out what emotional state jetskiing generates for her. That way when you spontaneously generate patterns, you can tailor them to the specific emotional states SHE wants to experience." Don't forget what you're supposed to do with the values you elicited. ASF: "It's one thing to ask a girl questions about herself and elicit her values. It's another to act like a tourist in her reality. I used to get involved with girls lives and be like "Wow, that's AWESOME!" about everything they did in their lives. Fuck that. When a guy does that, a girl thinks he has no life of his own if he's so impressed with hers." Seems like the value-eliciting has not been put to good use. You could of course either show her your world as well or just not be that damn impressed with hers, but preferably you should be doing what you're supposed to be doing with the values you elicited - you've found out the states that are important to her, now make her FEEL those specific states. Besides finding out and making her feel the states shel likes to feel, you also have to be able to represent the traits and values she finds important. NYC, ASF: "They always come up with TRAITS, not specific things. What they TELL ME they want is easily demonstrated to them through stories, and I don't have to tell them ANYTHING directly. I would never say "I love cats myself too...", I would tell them a story IN WHICH I demonstrated that I like cats. I let her derive who I am by telling her a story based on what she wants to hear in the first place:)". See also: Eliciting values explained Eliciting values - introducing the questions Eliciting values - the questions

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Fast Seduction 101 Player Guide Board Player Guide Topic Discussions   Register | Profile | Log-in | Lost Password | Active Users | Help | Search » Welcome Guest: log in | Register     Fast Seduction 101 Player Guide Board     Eliciting Values Mark all forum posts as read   [ help ] » Welcome to Eliciting Values « Single Page for this forum Forum moderated by: webmaster Topic Info Last Post orgasm 0 replies, viewed 3349 times Started by: toub Oct. 16, 2006 - 5:44pm by: toub eliciting values online   »Seeking advice for eliciting values 1 replies, viewed 2271 times Started by: sfblueeyes Oct. 16, 2006 - 5:31pm by: toub Examples  [ Pages  1 2 ]   »Examples of Eliciting Values 10 replies, viewed 13894 times Started by: Arise Sep. 25, 2006 - 7:45am by: Lukeyboy8 how do you get her HORNY?! 8 replies, viewed 16173 times Started by: Ben9000000 Sep. 25, 2006 - 7:27am by: Lukeyboy8 Typical Values/Personality of girls who go for older guys? 1 replies, viewed 3415 times Started by: backinthegame Sep. 19, 2006 - 10:05pm by: witchit On Eliciting Values 0 replies, viewed 1265 times Started by: Celler Sep. 9, 2006 - 11:52am by: Celler Applying the Ends Values to Yourself   »How........without being obvious? 4 replies, viewed 3863 times Started by: Nemesis Rogue Aug. 19, 2006 - 9:37pm by: demo blah 0 replies, viewed 909 times Started by: gogetter June 14, 2006 - 4:54am by: gogetter Emphasis on words   »She emphasizes - but do you? 0 replies, viewed 2455 times Started by: ChessTeamPimp Mar. 19, 2005 - 9:51pm by: ChessTeamPimp She remains to the ground   »what to do if she refuses to fly 0 replies, viewed 2100 times Started by: Tevesh Nov. 14, 2004 - 7:21am by: Tevesh help please 1 replies, viewed 1691 times Started by: shawn July 22, 2004 - 7:59am by: logan2012 "Boring" girls??!? 3 replies, viewed 10069 times Started by: vtrap2002 July 12, 2004 - 2:58pm by: Mimura i want to speak to her   »how to....? 2 replies, viewed 3214 times Started by: djxme200 Mar. 29, 2004 - 7:16am by: djxme200 Holy shit, this works...   »...I just practiced this online... 0 replies, viewed 9774 times Started by: HelmutS Feb. 28, 2004 - 8:57pm by: HelmutS Instilling values in HB   »How to instill certain values 1 replies, viewed 4208 times Started by: EX AFC June 2, 2003 - 10:27am by: Playerinprogress Single Page for this forum Forum Jump --   The Basic Rules Be the Alpha/Dominant male Do my looks matter? Good traits to have It all comes down to satisfaction Look and feel your best Nice guys vs jerks Should you express or contain your sexual desires? The 3 seconds rule The rules with your wingman Wanna play the dating game? Women want good sex --   How to Get Started At a party Casual meetings vs pick-ups Experiment! Fluff talk How to initiate a conversation Just say "Hi" Kinesthetics Mirroring On confidence Reading body language Talk to girls Talking to her = echoing her The "don't"s of fluff talk --   Approaching Women And Getting Them Interested "GM" Style "Neg Hits" Approaches Club/dancing Demonstrate value and personality Eliciting Values General guidelines on approaching Gimmicks Group Techniques If she seems unapproachable More Patterning Skills Pace and lead Patterning Remote Seduction Sex Talk The Patterns The importance of a first impression Where to meet girls --   You've Got Her Interested...Now What? Asking for a... date? Building a bridge AFC-style Capitalise Closing Common signs of interest If more than one girl is interested in you If she has second-thoughts Inviting the girl over to your place Making a timely exit My home is my love-nest Networking and pivots Our World routine Proceeding instead of closing Reading the signs of a "committed" woman --   How to Handle Girls Act like its special Be busy Cook for her and "date" at home Have and reveal secrets If she compliments you Judge her by her actions, not by her words Managing many relationships at once Paying her a compliment Put a price on yourself Romantic gifts and things to do Show a willingness to walk away Suggest competition Use her friends Use poetry When should you call a woman after having sex with her? --   Troubleshooting "Have you ever...?" gets busted But I really want this girl! Dealing with rejection Ejecting If she asks "Are you trying to seduce me?" If she asks for YOUR number instead If she cancels a date If she doesn't return your phone-calls/e-mails If she says "Let's just be friends" If she says "Why do you ask?" If she shows disrespect for you If she still refuses to give you her number Nothing works with the girl The age difference problem --   The Boyfriend Problem Dealing with boyfriend issues --   Micellaneous A game of Crash and Burn Bad jokes Fun and games Miscellaneous suggestions and observations about seduction More things to do for fun Top colognes Forum Options: Prune Forum Locked topic, no new replies accepted Open topic