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Focusing the vibrations of the engine
Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:10:18 -0400

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For those of  you who received multiple copies of the Conversation with
Mystery email I sent out, please excuse that.  I recently switched to a
cable modem which, strangely enough, won't send out the entire subscription
list without giving me a notice that the email wasn't sent (which usually
means that most of the people received it, but not all, so I have to resend
to everyone).  Consequently, I am now breaking up the list of subscribers
into many parts (you'd be surprised how many people are on this list -- and
don't ask, because I have no way of counting the addresses) and sending it
out in sections.

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I am planning to be at the Speed Seduction» Seminar to be held in Chicago
August 25, 26 & 27.  I will be staying at the hotel where the seminar is
being held and if you want to meet me, send me an email and we'll "hook up."

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Antony: Take a look at the website:http://www.totalpersuasion.com
The cost is $29.97 and it can be downloaded.

My Comment:  Looks interesting but I detect some possible borrowing of
techniques from SS in the way the promotional information is written.  If
anyone has this, your comments would be appreciated.

How to Meet a Dame - free info at:
http://www.bluesy.com/index/dame/women.htm

Anyone bought this?  http://www.seductiontips.com/index.htm
And if so, what comments do you have?

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Riker:
>Rik: Thought the Bro's may be interested in this Link
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=391683688
>
>My Comment:  I wonder if auctioning off SS and Major Mark products will
>become a trend...

I would point out that many of these people which re-sell self-improvement
tape sets on eBay are doing so with pirated, inferior-quality material.  As
an experienced eBay customer and seller, I would stress that people should
look at the seller's rating, and make sure it is high enough, with mostly
positive responses, so that you have a good chance of getting the real
products.  I have no problem with people selling their own copies that they
bought. But what many people end up selling, and what the unsuspecting
customer ends up buying when such tape sets are sold at auction sites are
cheap, low-quality cassette dubs, and cheap CD/R copies (which don't play in
many audio CD players).

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Flyer:
> My Comment: As for indifference, I think there's a fine balance between
acting >indifferent and then expressing your interest at the right time and
in the right way.  But >keeping them guessing is extremely effective -- as a
friend of mine says, "your greatest >weapon is curiousity."

I think you're right about the indifference issue -- but any way to tell and
when is the best time of expressing interest??? and how so?? This is an art
I believe that may be worthy of elaboration or separate study. What do you
think?

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Anapauso;
>My Comment: I think there's a fine balance between acting indifferent and
>then expressing your interest at the right time and in the right way. But
>keeping them guessing is extremely effective -- as a friend of mine says,
>"your greatest weapon is curiosity."

It's this "fine line" that I, and am I sure many others, would love to
elucidate.
Last year I experimented with a way of treating women which was completely
out of character. It got a 19-year-old HB into bed within 24 hours of
meeting
her. We were at a small party in a communal college kitchen the day after I
met her for the first time. I did the whole
intense-interest-flirty-"oh-how-interesting-do-tell-me-more" thing for half
an hour, and then completely ignored her for the next two. She hated it. She
tried every attention-seeking trick in the book, and I ignored them all,
except to gently insult her from time to time. For example, at one point she
stood on the table and said "I am an angel of love", and I said quickly "But
one with very small *wings*", meaning her breasts. Not rude, just enough for
her to question her own attractiveness. Towards the end of the night we
started kissing, but I interspersed it with ignoring/laughing at her. Half
an hour later she practically dragged my clothes from my back. A few days
later I told Da Boyz about this particular encounter, not realizing that
within earshot was a good female friend of mine. In an unguarded moment she
said "I think that would work on most women" before blushing and clamming
up.  Now this was a far-out scenario. A more normal application of what one
might call this "smother-ignore" strategy might require a less polar
approach: less interest, less distance. But this is where that damned "fine
line"
comes in.
Any thoughts/experiences? Do you think this can be more generally applied?
Would it really work on all sorts of women? How might one adjust it
according to her personality/approach to sex? Where would you draw the fine
line?
I think this thread has got a lot more mileage in it yet...

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NigthLight9
>Gregory: I happen to see an infomercial called jaw droppers that you maybe
>interested
>in. (www.jawdroppers.com) basically this is a tape series of magic tricks,
>that can be used as ice breaks when doing walk ups or when meeting someone
>over coffee.

I saw this too, I wonder what Mystery thinks of this level of magic for PU
(I'm not at the age where I'm willing to master the art of Magic, but some
tricks may spice things up).

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Craig:
Some new stuff:
If you want to dance with a girl...
"Hey...Do you know how to dance?"
"Yeah":
"Prove it!" *grab her hand

Put one of those plug in air fresheners in your house.  It might not smell
bad to you but that doesn't mean it smells good to women!

For us younger guys, recently I found out that bringin' a girl out with you
and your friends is a bad idea.  Girls don't like guys who have to rely on
their friends to have something to do, and this will get you barred quick.

My Comment:
Bringing a girl out with you and your friends is one thing -- going with a
girl alone is a very good thing.  Women look for guys who have women, it's a
twisted way that they validate us.  You go out with a chick and all the
women are winking and flirting with you, whereas alone they many pretend you
don't exist most of the time.  Obviously the tactic is to have a chick you
are friends with pretend to be into you and have her go to the washroom so
you can hit on the ones who show interest or who you are interested in.

Craig:
Put a little bit of cologne behind your ear and when you are in a loud place
and the girl has to talk in your ear she will smell it and get horny
(Credit: Diamond D)

Here is a tip from Odious for all of the bikers out there:
Rice burning crotch rockets....blah.
Give me a chopped hog any day of the week over an import.
A buddy of mine is a biker, and he's got a pal who makes seats for
motorcycles. He once told me that one of this guy's favorite little
techniques was to either stitch in a ridge or use denser foam, for the
center crotch area of the bitch seat.  Thereby focusing the vibrations of
the engine in the most enjoyable way for the young lady riding on the back
of the bike. My friend met his wife thanks to one of those seats. He said
that all he had to do was get a girl on his
bike, and by the time they got where ever there were going, she'd be so hot
and bothered that he'd have to pry her off the bike...and subsequently off
of him.

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Eleni:
"Mindfulness" can come in handy.  This is a great way of 'doing' life and
can lead you to great insights about working out problems in all areas of
life, especially relationships.  It helps if both partners are practicing
it.
In a nutshell, Mindfulness is more or less the practice of attention.  It is
sort of like waking up from our routines and our automatic responses....to
bring full attention to our walking, talking, hearing and breathing, eating
and working....in fact, to every aspect of our waking reality...our life.
Transformation comes through awareness and being conscious about how we do
the things we do and why we do them.  By paying attention to how we
function, we get clues as to what the underlying unconscious drivers are
that makes us do what we do.  It takes practice.
I'll give you an example........ Lets say jealousy gets triggered in you and
you unconsciously give way to it to become hatred.  You can struggle against
it and tell yourself that you should not be thinking in this way and get
caught up in guilt.  Or you can examine the thought itself (jealousy) and
attempt to understand the context from which it has arisen.  You can then
ask yourself what views of life, the universe and myself am I holding that
prompt me to see myself threatened by the good of another that I am jealous
of?  You can do this with any thought or feeling that comes up that makes
you insecure, anxious, sad, etc, etc, etc,.  What we perceive as our basest
thoughts and feelings, etc., when closely examined can become huge windows
to
awakening....expanding our awareness of our own self.
Speaking from experience, such clarity is unbeatable.....to have such self
awareness.  It has taken a lot of work.

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The following is more on Neo-Tech so you can skip it if you have had enough
of that.  And Rebel hasn't shared his enlightened understanding with us
(yet).

Alphahero:
I have also read a couple of the Neo-tech books.  From what I have seen,
it's just TONS of ranting about a "Utopian Dream" society, and they have no
plan or no idea how any of this is suppose to come about.  Lots of their
ideas do make you think though.  It's food for thought, though there is no
real substance to the books. It sure is not a 'how to' book in the least.

Reddog:
Elroy, who's one of the smartest and down to earth guys on the list, ordered
some of their stuff.
He said it was very long on promises and very short on how to actually
achieve your goals.
I read some of the website a couple years back.  The only things that
appealed to me were basically reheated objectivism.  I'm a libertarian.  So,
I agree with a lot of his social criticism.
As for the things I didn't like, well there was a lot of paranoid ranting.
And, the guy also sounded mighty damn sure of himself on topics he really
can't fully understand.  For example, he thinks that there are alien
civilizations out there.  But, he's certain that they haven't visited Earth
essentially because there's nothing here worth the trip.  How can he
possibly know anything about the needs, desires, values or capabilities of
an alien species? I agree with his emphasis on reason.  But, how can you
make
a reasoned argument when you don't have all the facts?  I think he, like
many objectivists, is too hung up on being the ultimate authority on
everything.
By the way, he hates stuff like NLP, hypnosis, etc. because it's a product
of the
bicameral mind.  I'm kind of at a loss to explain what he means.  I think it
has something to do with the fact that he hates the fact that human beings
tend to put their emotions before their intellect.  But, I'm not sure I've
got that right.
At any rate, I wouldn't put any significant amount of money into learning
Neo-Tech.

Paul: I ordered the stuff from Neo-Tech. What they basically do, is present
a book (cheap soft covered) with over 2100 pages of text. Now it is
difficult to say that the answers you are looking for are not within these
2100 pages. Even if you speed read (like I do) it is quite a mass.
Some of the tips are useful, however, a proper step-by- step approach (like
Ross is offering you) usually lacks throughout the book.

Mario:
Well, it is hard to understand what Neo-Tech's trying to convey to us, but
it is more-or less like this:
1) Reality is only what you can achieve with your conscious awareness.
Disregard the voices in your head, your emotions, intuition, etc...
2)There's no magic(k), no God, no anything except what you perceive and
learn through your senses.
3)We have a fragmented mind (that's true), due to the influences of ideas
that government, religion, and everybody tries to dump on us. But if you can
build a hermetically closed matrix of ideas (filters) to follow, this set of
filters will be totally integrated and will allow you to block the
influences from those trying to screw us. And also, this matrix will lead
you through life bringing everything they promised us like riches, women,
happiness, etc.
4) So, this is the point of the old books, to transmit the ideas (there's no
God, no unconscious voices, no astrology, no magic, nothing except the
perceived reality and conscious effort). To get slim, Dr. Atkins diet (which
works very well). All the rest equals conscious effort and total awareness.

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