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Berty:
Here is what I have come up with so far... I took some off what Ross
suggested... can I get some critiques?

Hey xxxxxxxx,

I don't know how you got the idea that I "took more of a liking to me
then I had hoped." I specifically remember asking you if you liked
poetry and would you like to read poems that I had written. If I
remember correctly your answer was "as long as I can understand them",
that is the only reason I sent you the first one. I thought maybe you
would enjoy and share them. Which apparently, if I read your E-MAIL
below correctly you did.
>Subject:         Re: hey xxxxxxx........
>   Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:45:21 EST
>   From:        xxx***x@ao***.com[ ? ]
>     To:         yyy***y@uv***.net[ ? ]
>beautiful poem. Even I could understand it! :). If you have more I
would love
>to hear them. I would also like to com visit you again sometime I just
don't
>know when that will be quite yet. Once I am done with school in three
weeks I
>will have lots of time. We will have to pick a day then. I have another

joke
>for you....

Now, as to the second poem I would have not sent it, if you had not
asked to read more off them.  I don't know if reading these poems stirred
something down deep inside you that made you feel the way you did.  Imagine
how surprised I was to have gotten the response I got from you in your last
E-MAIL below.
>Subject:         Re: hey xxxxxxxxx.......
>   Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:25:13 EST
>   From:        xxx***x@ao***.com[ ? ]
>     To:         yyy***y@uv***.net[ ? ]
>Berty,
>    I enjoyed working with you the first time through school. However,
I
>think that you took more of a liking to me then I had hoped. Your poems
are a
>little too sensual and I don't feel them appropriate. Please do not
e-mail
>those types of poems anymore, they make me uncomfortable. I do have a
>boyfriend as you know, and he isn't happy with what you send me and
niether
>am I.

To which, I to had say: WOW... Because you had struck me as an adult
woman who could handle the full range of ideas and emotions without
having to retreat into feeling uncomfortable.  Of all the people who
have read and liked my poems to date, you are the only one who has felt
them UNCOMFORTABLE or INAPPROPRIATE. Yes, my poems are sensual, because
that's what I like to write about.  To me, there is nothing much more
sensual than they way people feel for each other.

And yes, I know you have a boyfriend. I'm glad you have found that one
rare person who fulfills your needs, desires and fantasies.  Someone who
you can spend time with day after day, week after week, month after month,
year after year, someone who makes you feel as happy as your boyfriend does
for you... what's it like to be totally fulfilled by one person, one person
that fills every single one of your REQUIREMENTS?

As to "taking more of a liking to you then you had hoped", the only thing
I thought I took was, at the very least was another pen-pal (E-MAIL). To
tell you the truth I had expected you to be like all the rest.  You come
up here with your class and do what you had to do, and not be seen again.
Or did you think me to be so desperate that I would insert myself where I
was not wanted?

I only take a liking to someone who is open minded to new possibilities.
Someone who is not tied down by society's standards as to what's
COMFORTABLE or APPROPRIATE, who is open to new directions. Anyway, I think
I've taken enough your time. This is my last E-MAIL so take care and good
luck to you and yours.

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Ross:
>Women are just fucking crazy though, you know. Went
>out with this hotass woman last week and after a 4 hour working over I
>kissed closed her and she looked at me and said "You are the most awesome
>man I've ever met...I can't ever see you again!" Oh well, back to the
>drawing board!

Response: Oh...so the only possibilities you define as being real
for yourself are the ones that are painful and limiting. Where is
THAT going to lead you in your life?

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Alan:
> Berty:
> Met this girl the other day she's in massage school. We talked
> and told jokes. After which we exchanged e-mail too talk and
> exchange jokes, I asked her if she liked poems, she said she'd
> liked to read some. After I sent her the first one, this is what
> I got from her..
>
>
> >beautiful poem. Even I could understand it! :). If you have more
> >I would love to hear them. I would also like to com visit you
> >again sometime I just don't know when that will be quite yet.
> >Once I am done with school in three weeks I will have lots of
> >time. We will have to pick a day then. I have another joke
> >for you....
>
> So, I sent her a second one and this is what I got back from
> her....
>
> >I enjoyed working with you the first time through school.
> >However, I think that you took more of a liking to me then I had
> >hoped. Your poems are a little too sensual and I don't feel them
> >appropriate. Please do not e-mail those types of poems anymore,
> >they make me uncomfortable. I do have a boyfriend as you know,
> >and he isn't happy with what you send me and neither am I.
>
> So, can someone help formulate a response to this.....

I'll have a go. It's not field-tested, though...

Thanks for your compliment. Quite a few girls have told me I am a
very sensual guy, and that my poems touch their hearts. To me, it
just feels like I am being myself, and expressing what is deep
within me, reaching out to the reader, and connecting deep within
her, touching her heart and caressing her soul.

I love to feel the power of life, the pleasure that comes from
living life to the full. Life is meant to be lived, don't you
agree?

So many people I meet seem to want to cut themselves off from life
and what it has to offer. They seem to struggle against their own
inner desires. And that struggle, shows up in their bodies - tight
muscles, inflexible joints, dull aches, blank areas where they
don't feel anything. If you are in conflict, it can't help but show
up in your body somewhere. I'm sure you've learnt all about this in
massage school.

My poems are not for everyone. Especially not for people who
constrict their feeling, and who live by other people's rules,
rather than their own.

I guess my poems are for people who are sensual, like me, and who
greet life with an open heart.

I can understand why some people find my poems too much. It puts
them in touch with those inner desires they want to deny. It's
like offering massage to someone who hates to be touched.

Thanks again for your compliment. And for your positive comments
about my poems and how you respond to them. I've received similar
comments from other readers, so that tells me I'm on the right
track.

My Comment:  I don't think this is going to accomplish much.  Personally, I
agree with Ross's earlier comments that she doesn't deserve more than to
slapped down for her rude behaviour.  And for myself, unless I was truly
inspired to want to get past her borefriend and other nonsense and bang her,
I wouldn't even dignify her with a response.

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My Comment:  Anyone out there care to test this?  How about it, Natasha?

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MindAuger:
Well, here's a little update on miss "I broke the 24 hours WebPersonals
record".  All bets are off for now, and I'd like to think it's probably
for the better but who knows if what transpired still leaves a door open
for some action.  I found that pretty soon she was testing me, trying to
bust my balls online.  This was after the time she said "maybe you just
have way too much going for you" and "I can't believe you haven't found
someone yet".  I used Sisonpyh's line of "did you know the average
American woman is ... 150 lbs.?" and she came back with some remark about
how all Americans are fat with no style".  While the comment wouldn't have
bothered me even if I WAS an American (I wish!!) I thought I'd test her
too and said "I don't think I like the way you generalize" (bust her balls
a bit).

Well, that just about killed the whole deal. I didn't hear much from her
following that and she didn't even have the guts or courtesy to cancel our
dinner date (and she never gave me her address, either).  It kinda
perplexes me because she said she has a hard time finding guys she likes,
and she obviously liked me.  But I had to realize this was to be expected,
as she told me she had left her last guy, literally, waiting in the church
on wedding day!  Now THAT'S fucked.

I told all of this to the east coast chick I've been sarging, and suggested
that SHE send an email to miss record-breaker which basically thanked her
for driving away the most wonderful man she had ever met, right into her
arms, and how lucky she was at how stupid she is, being exactly like every
other Toronto GIRL (miss record-breaker stressed often she was different
than most women).  She LOVED the idea and did it.  The best part?  The email
never mentioned my name.  Considering she got 500+ responses, she'll likely
have no clue which guy it refers to as I know she met a few and drove them
away too.  This might leave a door open for me if she decides to contact me
again, but certainly takes a bite out of her cute little ass.

As for the east-coast chick, aside from eloquent writing, one thing that
got her completely flipped for me (including "don't want to eat, can't
sleep") was that I would use Photoshop to 'insert myself' into pics of her
that she had sent me.  It took a bit of work, but she now has several
remarkably real-looking pics of us together, in various stages of foreplay
and even one where I'm fucking her and she's blindfolded.  Drives her
completely insane and she loves them and keeps them on the screen when we
chat.  Last week she finally agreed to come to Toronto to meet me (and
she's married, lol).

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Tenore:
> Casey:
> > ... if she TESTS you, don't jump through her HOOP (HOOP THEORY).  Simply
> > call her on it and/or construct your own HOOP.
>
> Please elaborate on HOOP THEORY!!!

Let me take a stab at explaining "hoop theory" as I understand it. In a
nutshell, hot women attempt to get guys to "jump through hoops" for them.
Inexperienced guys naively think that if you jump through a woman's hoops,
she will like you, but in reality exactly the opposite is true. If you jump
through her hoops upon command, it marks you as a chump, and no
self-respecting woman wants to go to bed with a chump (although they often
like to keep one or more chumps on a leash, whenever they need a fool to do
something that they don't want to do themselves. These chumps remain "just
friends").

I can illustrate this with an example that happened to me within the past
two weeks. Having lunch one day with my beautiful Chinese princess, she
arranged to come over to my place that evening after finishing her class. We
made some comment about us both being so hot we'd set the sheets on fire.
Well, after the class was over, she called me from campus and asked me to
come down and get her! This was absurd, because it's about a 20-25 minute
drive from here. "Do you mean you expect me to drive down, get you, drive
you to my place, then afterward drive you back to campus late at night so
you could get your car and then drive home?" "Yes, I'm very tired, and I
don't want to drive." "But your car is only a block away from where you are
now!" "Yes, but I'm very tired, and I don't want to have to climb up the
stairs in the garage. If you don't come get me, I won't come over, I'll just
go home." (She still had to drive about 25 minutes that night to get home,
no matter how much driving around I might do beforehand, and I reminded her
that if she came over I could relax her **completely**!)

I told her that this was the most absurd demand I had ever heard. She hung
up. I sent her an angry email, telling her that I was not her trained monkey
who would jump through hoops for her, and that if she wanted a guy like that
she should  find somebody else. As soon as she read the email she called me,
very upset, and said she never wanted to see me again. "Don't call me, and
don't send me email."

But the next day she contacted me on the pretext of returning something, and
then started pouring out her feelings. After I spent some time listening to
her hurt feelings, she agreed to meet me for coffee that afternoon. When we
met, she argued that if I loved her, I would have driven her around town all
evening for no real reason, because she had asked me to. I stood my ground,
and said that was absurd.

Gradually her anger softened, and by that evening, she was back in my bed
again! And now she's hotter for me than ever. Had I taken the chump's way
out, our relationship would probably be history.

My Comment:  While it worked here, I think most of us have had the opposite
experience at least a couple of times.  I've refused to do similar things
and got nexted.  Now, depending on circumstances, I would usually still
refuse but in a very low key way -- you describe your reaction as being
somewhat angry.  I will make it like "you're kidding, right?  That's not
happening" but very matter of fact.  This is the kind of thing where there
really isn't only one right answer, you've got to judge each situation
individually.

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