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David Update:
New Seminar! Sitting here with completed tapes and no name/trademark/image
in order to sell them is not only frustrating but it pains me that most of
you aren't getting another chance to see and hear David in action. So the
thought hit me - why not hold another seminar? Here's the deal - the dates
here in Montreal will be Saturday and Sunday, July 6 & 7 (this is
Independence Day Weekend, a great time to be in Montreal). Cost would be
$250 U.S. for the two days but we won't confirm this until there are a
minimum of 20 confirmed attendees (you can confirm by making a $75 U.S.
deposit by credit card at www.paypal.com to cli***f@cl***.com[ ? ] or contact me
about alternative methods of payment). We'll tape this one also and make
the tapes available as soon as possible. Those of you interested in buying
tapes should write and indicate which format you would be interested
in. The ones that are done are done as VCR tapes. Converting to another
format (eg. CD's, cassettes, DVD's, etc.) involves costly processing to
adapt so it would be helpful to know how many people would want a
particular format.
The book is almost ready also and we will soon start a second book which
will be incredible advanced material.
THE CONTEST IS almost OVER! We may have a winner and prizes will be
accorded appropriately! We've got part of the name at least, and we hope to
put the rest of it together shortly.
The Contest information follows:
As mentioned here before, what we need in order to make the tapes or other
products available is a name. This one has stymied us and nothing that we
have been able to come up with has grabbed us. The video tapes of the
seminar are ready to go - we just need to have a name so we can put
"copyright (the name)" in the beginning along with your standard 'don't
copy this' notice.
In order to entice you to help us come up with a name and image for David,
we are holding a contest:
Come up with the winning ideas and you will win:
- 1 hour telephone or in-person consultation with David
- Attendance to a seminar (can be used at any time we hold one)
- A copy of the book when it is published
- A copy of the VCR tapes of the seminar that was held previously
While I would like to put a deadline on this, the contest will continue
until we come up with a name and image. It should be noted that you will be
required to relinquish all rights to the name and consider the prizes as
full and final compensation for such.
Thanks to those who have made their suggestions. We still don't quite have
what we are looking for, so please keep the ideas coming in!
Private in person or telephone consultations with David are available.
PLEASE NOTE: This David is not to be confused with David DeAngelo of
www.doubleyourdating.com (who has posted some great stuff here under the
name "Sisonpyh"), or David Shade (of www.davidshade.com).
David is particularly intuitive with regard to your specific individual
problems with certain women. You can get on the phone, answer his
questions on the situation, and he will give you very insightful advice on
how to succeed in your particular mission.
He's had some spectacular results, and you will be reading much more about
this soon.
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GameMaster:
GameMaster's "Guide to Fucking Your Way Around the Zodiac"
Here's some light reading for the crew. You may want to publish this
masterpiece by itself!
I defy somebody to tell me I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
haw haw
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Aries: "Wanna fight?" Hot, tough, and enough street smarts to get them
through just about any situation. Impossible to control, but one hell of a
fun ride. While it lasts.
Don't turn your back on them...there are NO exceptions to that rule.
Absolutely fearless.
Joan Crawford was an Aries. I rest my case.
Taurus: If you can find one that doesn't look like the female Michelin Man
you've got a keeper. Very passionate, loves to please, cultured with
excellent taste and very picky in choosing their partner. They look at
relationships like they were making an investment. Even the pretty ones
will have some feature that you hate, like man-hands or six toes or some
shit like that. Good earners....you may retire early with this one. Ella
Fitzgerald, Kate Smith, Catherine the Great were all... Basically all
famous fat people are....still can't figure out how they slipped Audrey
Hepburn in there?
Gemini: Great smile is usually their best feature, and they are a very
attentive and pleasing crew. But total dingbats. You'll be musing to
yourself that somebody literally fucked their brains out. Ironically, what
turns them on is mental stimulation, but nobody would ever know it because
they all seem to have room temperature IQ's. They will either live their
lives in two distinctly separate worlds with different personalities or you
will wake up one morning, after they shape-shift, and you won't know who
the fuck she is. Odd creatures but they make great fuck buddies and look
good on stage swinging around a brass pole. Anybody remember Marilyn Monroe?
Cancer: The life of the party, the center of attention, and total emotional
basketcases. Not always the prettiest girl around but they have this
vivacious cheerleader quality that draws you in...and into the insanity.
These freaks are so creative at inventing problems you'll be wondering if
you're not being Gaslighted. Great in bed though. If you're willing to
plumb the Great Barrier Reef of emotions then this is your girl, but watch
out for the fish. Oh yeah, they will fuck your brother, your neighbor, your
boss, your best friend, the mailman, you name it and all because they
didn't like the tone of your voice when you told them you loved them that
morning. Best sex I ever had was with a married Cancer Presbyterian
Minister that was pissed at her husband (another Presbyterian Minister)
cause they had a disagreement over the content of last Sunday's sermon.
They can justify anything in their own minds and they have no remorse. If
you decide to marry a Cancer I will find your wife and fuck her. Sorry
guys, that's just the way things work. Barbara Stanwyck is the classic
look, then there's the occasional Gina Lollobrigida, and of course Phyliss
Diller just to round things out. God I would have loved to fuck Barbara
Stanwyck about 60 years ago....rent the movie "Double Indemnity". I don't
think that character challenged her acting ability very much.
Leo: ME ME ME ME ME! I hate those bitches. I'm a Leo too and I tried to
give these cunts the benefit of the doubt but they don't deserve it.
Anybody that has ever been in a relationship with one of these attention
mongering whores knows what I'm talking about. Bring your financial
statement and practice genuflecting in front of a mirror...they expect you
to know how. Fuck em'. If your name is Smith she'll want you to change it
to Smythe. Nice hair though. Lucille Ball, Jackie Kennedy. Next!
Virgo: Jeez.....why can't they be more like their male counterparts?
Beautiful women, sharp features....the girl-next-door. They look good on
your arm, limited sense of humor but can balance a checkbook in a New York
minute. Just look at the organization in their kitchen cabinets - scary
ain't it? These girls are attracted to ambition and goals...try to cum on
their face and they'll have you killed. Tightest pussy in the universe. But
when they make a decision the relationship is over, don't waste any time
trying to patch things up....you're done Bro. She doesn't even remember
your name. It's interesting...their Virgo brothers are fuck sluts (sorry
Ross) and they have a keenly developed sense of humor i.e Seinfeld and
others. Hey God----What the fuck happened here??? Last Virgo girlfriend I
had brought me a fucking list of shit she wanted for Christmas and like the
extravagant Leo that I am delivered on every item....Vickie the Virgo
unwrapped her stuff with incredibly cool emotion, looked at me and said "I
didn't get you anything" and I've never seen her again. Fucking
bitch. Bacall, Bergman, Garbo, and of course Sophia Loren. How would you
have liked to fuck Lauren Bacall before that dick Bogart got to her?
Unbelievable.
Libra: The most beautiful member of the Zodiac. They will do anything to
please in bed as long as you maintain a tasteful protocol outside of the
bedroom. Just incredible lovers. And if you guys are wondering why you've
never nailed a Libra it's because they are most ALL in long term committed
relationships cause if you ever find one on the loose you'll do anything to
keep her. Very soft, gentle features with eyes that melt. Wow. Three of my
all time favorites....hang on let me catch my breath. Deborah Kerr, Rita
Hayworth, and Julie Andrews. I think Eleanor Roosevelt must have been
mistaken about when the fuck she was born?
Scorpio: Exotic, beautiful, and mysterious. Suckers for SS and you can take
it to the extreme with these hotties cause when you start hitting the
buttons on their 'dark side' you can just hold on cause you are in for one
intense passionate thrill ride to hell and back. They love to give head and
are masters of the art. I've always marveled at the way their skin mists up
when they're aroused. They don't perspire....they just mist and that's even
before you get their clothes off. Very hot. GameMaster's Number One pick.
Find one that goes to church and put a ring on her finger dude. It just
don't get any better. Vivien Leigh/Scarlett O'Hara anyone? No wonder all
her other movies sucked.
Sagittarius: KookeyBirds...every last one of them. Major league cuties.
I've never actually fucked a Sag and I'd rather keep them as friends.
Besides, I don't think I could stop laughing long enough to accomplish the
task. Look for the skinny blonde with the Woody Woodpecker personality. But
don't be offended by anything they say...they have no control mechanism to
stop their patented brand of brutal honesty from escaping their lips. They
crack me up. Best buddy material of all. Funny as hell, take em' to a
funeral and they'll laugh themselves silly all the way through the eulogy
cause she overheard somebody say the dead guy "never looked better." I'm
speaking from experience here obviously. Mary Martin/Peter Pan. Told you
these people are crazy.
Capricorn: Ah, those wonderful Capricorns. They are drawn to bad boys like
a moth to a flame....until they are ready to settle down. And if you settle
down with one of these vicious mercenaries be prepared to be driven like a
slave until you give her everything she wants...cars, houses, jewelry,
enterprise, status. Great fuck buddies. Don't get sucked into anything
permanent unless you can afford it. One thing I've always admired about
these women is that they tend to keep their beauty much longer than other
women. Well into their 40's and 50's. Dark hair, beautiful olive
complexions, and amazing DSL (dick sucking lips) and very eager to
please....until they get what they want, and they will go to any lengths to
get it. Ava Fucking Gardner!!!!! The woman that singlehandedly destroyed
Frank Sinatra - himself a KookeyBird.
Aquarius: Enigmatic and very very intelligent. Masters of the mindfuck and
that is your doorway, my friends. Get in her head and she'll do anything
for you. Very cute, bouncy, cheerful dispositions, generally blonde, and
look for that little ridge on their nose that always seems to be
there....either a birth feature or because a boyfriend smacked the shit out
of her cause he couldn't deal with her aloof attitude about the
relationship. More interested in having friends than lovers. Has anyone
ever said "I don't give a fuck" like Kim Novak?
Pisces: "So, how long have you been on Prozac?" Great outward
personalities, sweet, very hot, eager to please, can be easily controlled
and manipulated. Just don't go too far. I guess the favorite attempt on my
life (never thought about it that way) was by the queen of the Pisces
Psycho's and you want to hear something weird....I miss her. I even went to
the extreme to find her a few months ago in an attempt to resurrect our
relationship for about the fourth time but she had her husband tell me to
go away. What a goober that guy was! I'll try again next year. They all
seem to have that certain 'hard to forget' quality. Oh yeah, they love to
be fucked in the ass. Go ahead guys, check me out on this... and you don't
have to ask permission. Their Uncle Bob already took care of that for ya. I
saw a poll one time that indicated about 60% of strippers everywhere are
Pisces. Go figure. Elizabeth Taylor pretty much says it all. Take a peak
at "Virginia Woolf" and you now have seen the Pisces construct laid bare.
That's today's rant. Hold the applause.
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Mark B.:
Grow three days worth of facial hair and keep it. Over that past two weeks
on the Friday before the weekend I did not bother shaving and did not shave
until Monday morning. Inspired by the NHL playoff and being a huge Toronto
Maple Leaf fan I got in the mind set and did not shave as most players do
not when in the playoffs. Both weekends I had dates with women and noticed
something strange. I noticed that I really did not have to extend myself or
try very hard to impress them. They laughed at every joke and generally
acted submissive which is a sign of attraction and went along with every
suggestion I made. I gave it no thought until I went to visit my mother and
my sister who told me I look way may better with slight facial hair, three
to four days worth but not a full grown beard.
Wanting to test this out I just used my clippers to trim some of the excess
but left a noticeable darkness around my face. Now keep in mind I did
nothing else differently.
Here are the results:
Two first dates over two that both ended with sex and desire to see me again.
Married woman I have been trying to fuck for months finally herself
suggests we finally go out and see each other after work after we walked to
the mall for lunch as we sometimes do and she sees my facial hair. For the
first time she let me touch and feel her butt for a protracted time.
A waitress I have been after for a year from my local strip bar finally
tells me her and her boyfriend are done and that she is moving closer to
the area and I could come and see her new place when she moves in.
Women doing double and triple takes on me in malls and pretty much
everywhere else I go when they see me.
Hot stripper gives me her number and agrees to see me on the weekend within
about 30 minutes of meeting her.
Generally though I noticed it's 160% easier to get a number this way but
more importantly women tend to act submissive as if the hair displays some
sort of dominant male feature from the stone age that they have no choice
biologically but follow and give into. Also I feel more masculine and
somewhat of a sense of protection from the hair as though it provides me
with a shield and hence I can act and take more risks with more confidence.
You also look more manly and not like some prepubescent boy. I works for
me. Maybe it could work for you as well. Give it a shot.
> Jeff Y: I think I've set a new record. 6 girls in a row have flaked out
on meeting me. Can anyone top that? Is there anyone who used to get this a
lot a found a way to overcome it?
Mark B.: I have found that simply addressing their behaviour tends to make
them feel at ease. What I mean is that if she seems flaky say "well Mandy,
you seen uncertain and unsure of yourself" or "you seem very convinced
about how great your boyfriend is". Most times they just want to know that
you can see and acknowledge their emotions and attitudes. Then they tend to
feel easier and freer. I also found when woman get angry at me for whatever
reason, I address their anger and not what they are angry about. This calms
them down much, much more so than if you were to come up with a great
convincing argument as to why she should not be angry. "Mandy, you seem
angry. Please address your anger before we continue."
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Clint "Arte" Arthur (http://www.NewSex.org):
> Jeff Y: I think I've set a new record. 6 girls in a row have flaked out
on meeting me. Can anyone top that? Is there anyone who used to get this a
lot a found a way to overcome it?
Arte: This was one of the most pathetic and scary stories I've ever heard.
The problem is either the type of chicks you're picking, the type of man
you're being, and/or the fact that you don't really have any connection
with these chicks at all.
Why try to get dates with them at a later time? Young girls like that don't
have anything important to do. Just stay with them long enough to get them
into an alley-way or dark stairwell and fuck them. Or meet them at a club
and take them home THAT SAME NIGHT and bang the shit out of them. Like Ross
said, out of sight, out of mind with those youngies.
I used to fuck a lot of those early-20's girls when I was 17, 18, and 19.
Looking back on those days, I always fucked them the same day I met 'em.
Try picking chicks in the 27-36 age category. They are far more likely to
end up in bed with you -- provided that you...
- Are not acting desperate or like a loser...
- Are direct and sincere in going after them for SEX...
- Seem like you know what to do in bed...
Above all, the problem seems to be a lack of willingness to make a REAL
INSTANT CONNECTION and follow through with that until the deed is DONE.
The best way to bang a babe that you want is to just stay ON her constantly
until you are IN her. Convey with every look, every touch, every word,
every thought that you and she should be sharing sexual ecstasy -- if not
NOW than as soon as possible.
> All in all, a very interesting experience - and experiment. Content was
virtually irrelevant - it was all voice tonality, attitude, initiative, and
balls.
EXACTLY! Bravo!
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93:
> Ross: Be determined to set a VERY strong lead with these young women.
Have standards and eject on the ones who seem impacted, overly shy, etc. Do
some patterning to leave them thinking about you in a positive way. Close
as soon as possible. Under 23, nothing is real for them for more than 4-5
days, usually more than 2 days!
93: Ross, you seem to have derived a number of generalizations from your
experience of younger women that lots of people would agree with. I like to
start with that and then ask myself, "Since I know there are always
exceptions to the rule, how can I find those younger girls that are
exceptional to all the rules about younger girls?" That way I get to trim
the fat but keep the juice.
Of course, I usually ixnay the young chicks pretty quick - unless they have
developed or were born with some degree of natural talent. I don't need to
use them for social proof, since the women I'm interested in see through
that in a heartbeat, and would want me just as much either way. Not that I
DON'T use social proof, I just don't go out my way for it...
> GameMaster (responding to requests for more info on the astrology
software he mentioned previously): I know most guys think astrology is
bullshit but I've been studying for about 6 years and found it to be
consistently 95% accurate. Horoscopes 'are' bullshit, the science of
astrology is not only fascinating to women, but it will save you a lot of
time and wasted energy when you understand the basics. I'll make a believer
out of any of you guys in 10 minutes.
93: Ha! How much money do you want to put on that? I'll even let YOU pick
the system of astrology and the data you plan to use for evidence.
GameMaster Responds: What evidence are you referring to?
Scientific....beyond me. Nobody knows why this stuff works. It's an occult
science. And I don't need to understand why it works, it just does. And I'm
not talking about using the stars to predict the future. I think that's
horseshit too...way too subjective a field. However, a birthchart will
completely break down a person's character, personality, communication
mechanism, romantic nature, their drives and passion for life, etc. etc.
And that is what I made mention of being 95% accurate and I'll stand on
that any day. It's bulletproof. Maybe an experiment is in order here?
Like I said, horoscopes and any attempt to employ the stars to determine
the day's or future events is a waste of time IMHO.
93: I know I can make a believer out of anyone in 10 minutes that
astrology, like handwriting analysis and palm reading, provides a wonderful
framework for bypassing the conscious filters of many people so that you
can get right to embedding commands. And like any crutch, at some point you
realize that you don't need those systems to access your natural intuition,
even though they can serve their purpose in the beginning for a short time.
> GameMaster: ...relationship when it's time to bail. One tip, exact
birthtimes are critical for an accurate chart, especially when you're
comparing two people.
93: Another tip: astrologers will never specify how 'exact' a birth
measurement they require in order to make accurate predictions, because no
one has ever published an analysis of the conditions for precision in any
astrological system. Sorry Gamemaster, nothing personal. I'm sure you have
associated many of your successes to astrology, and I wholeheartedly
applaud those success. I would say that YOU yourself have so much more
power than does astrology that using it can only place limits on your
behavior that hurt you instead of help you.
GameMaster responds: "in order to make accurate predictions" ...OK, I
think we have a disconnect here. I don't use this stuff in seduction, and I
sure as hell don't portray myself to targets as having any level of
expertise or specific knowledge about the science itself. Too many skeptics
out there...it's light conversation material at best. But I will find out
their birthdate, time and place in a very surreptitious manner so that I'm
not raising any red flags over the subject. So, what use is this stuff, you
ask? Well, when are women on their best behavior? When you first become
acquainted, right? I know there are exceptions to that but in general both
men and women are working overtime to hide the bad, and accentuate the
positive. Maybe it's just me but I have been involved in a number of very
passionate relationships that ended on not so happy terms and there were
even three women that tried to kill me during the process. Give me a high
sign Clifford...you've heard all the stories! haha Anyway, so I like
passionate women, but I prefer passion with true depth and without the
psychotic tendencies that are running wild in today's society. That's where
this stuff comes in handy...you can weed out the crazies and keep the ones
with all the right elements that attracted you in the first place. I'll
take the Pepsi challenge with this stuff anyday and I can tell you with a
high degree of accuracy who you're attracted too, who you're not, why
you're attracted, why you're not, why it will work, and why it won't. And
the really interesting thing about Astrology is that what it all boils down
to is a basic set of core values for both individuals and you know whether
you have any staying power based on whether the values are in conflict with
each other. I finally got my new girlfriend to take an evening away from
hubby and send me her list of values last nite and it fell right in line
with what I already knew, cause it was in her chart. Just like pieces to a
puzzle.
And I was nailing this chick ten years ago and never could figure out why I
was so incredibly turned on and attracted to her...it's an energy thing I
guess, but now I understand. And with that understanding I can manipulate
the situation just about any way I please. Manipulation is key in any
relationship, and thus the value of astrology. Have you guys ever been
manipulated by a woman? Stupid question - right? And I have a big old grin
reserved for all the non-believers but I'll bet as many of you have already
downloaded that software to see for themselves. You guys don't have to take
my word for it.
And BTW, there are NO limits to my behavior! And that in itself is its own
occult science.
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Jeff Y.:
Ok, I'm trying to use the advice I got and be more leading with girls.
Called this girl I've been talking to for a while. Strange note. I really
enjoy talking to this girl and she seems to feel the same way, but I've
tried several patterns on her and they seem to have less effect on her then
any girl I've ever known. With me SS has always worked best on girls I have
a good rapport with which I believe I do with this chick. Whenever I ask a
question to try and deepen rapport she always says, "you always ask these
deep questions that you have to go inside yourself to answer!" Anyone got
an explanation for that? I think she's 18 or 19, she acts pretty mature,
though (compared to most girls that age, that is).
I had been wanting to save doing her handwriting for when we were away from
school but getting her to meet me was proving to be a very difficult task.
(Big surprise, right?) So I analyzed it while I was talking to her at
school last week. She really digged it, and so did her two friends who came
along and asked me to do them. (her y's were incomplete, so I said "you
feel unfulfilled right now in your life about something, and you're waiting
for something or someone SP to come along that will make you feel more
fulfilled") her friend laughed and said "that's right!" I also showed them
the four magic questions that they all also loved.
Anyway I called her today, asked her about this job she interviewed for on
Monday and did a little fluff then said, "well, you know Chad, one of the
biggest movies of the year is starting tomorrow."
Her: Spider man!
Me: Yeah and I was thinking we could go check it out together.
Her: It can't be this week with finals coming up. After school is done we
probably can.
Me: Yeah maybe we can go see StarWars together.
She tells me she's never seen Star Wars, which I berate her a little for,
but she says she liked to go see it even though it never really caught her
attention. I do a quick rundown on why episode 2 is coming out 5th then she
says she's eating and asks if she can call me back but I tell her I'm on my
way to my writers' workshop, and that I'll be there for a couple hours.
I know I didn't handle this in a master's way but I hope I improved a
little bit and would appreciate feed back on what I could have done better.
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Pablo:
I was studying Dave's eye contact experiments the other night, and I have
been testing them out lately. He states that for the most part you should
keep eye contact with the girl while holding a blank expression (that is
until she smiles). But when I do this 75-80% of the time the girl just
looks away nervously. I am 6'5" and I may be a little intimidating when I
look someone in the eye while holding no expression on my face. I noticed
that if I look into the girl's eyes then smile before she does, I get
better results; meaning, the girl will smile and say "hi" or even sometimes
giggle. Yet, I heard that if you smile or say "hi" first, the girl will
treat you friendly, but you will have no chance of getting with her because
you have given her all the power or something to that effect. What would
suggest I do?
Cliff's Comment: I don't agree that you give up all your power just by
smiling or saying "hi" first. And which eye contact experiments are you
talking about?
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