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Fw: Comments/Letters to the Editor
Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:01:07 -0500
>
>>>>>>Outrageous actions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Someone who I would have liked to have at least met once uses this
>>>>>technique
>>>>>>when he sees a woman he's interested in with another man. I assume
>that
>>>>>the
>>>>>>body language» between this woman and the man she is with do not
>>>>necessarily
>>>>>>indicate that they are a couple, but I guess that is not required. He
>>>>goes
>>>>>>up to the guy, puts his hand on his shoulder, and says, "You know, I
>>just
>>>>>>had to come up and tell you that you have the most beautiful wife, you
>>>are
>>>>>>one lucky guy". If the woman is not with this guy, she may go "We're
>>not
>>>>>>married" or some variation (hopefully one which goes further and tells
>>>you
>>>>>>that she is not involved with this guy). From there, there is the
>>>>>>possibility to get her number as she makes her availability known.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think this is just a great little technique, but not one I have had
>>the
>>>>>>occasion to try out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Letters to the Editor:
>>>>>>The following are my selection of the comments on the posting on Max
>>from
>>>>>>those of you who wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1) Maxin: Modeling Natural SS'ers can be an area where we can gain
>>>>>>tremendous benefit. I'm very interested in the "Lay down the rules"
>part
>>>>>and
>>>>>>exactly what and HOW Max says what he says, for this is the area where
>>>you
>>>>>>have the greatest opportunity to embed the proper conditions to have
>the
>>>>>>relationship you want. I was talking to "The Mack Daddy" in Cancun and
>>he
>>>>>>told me that he used to sit women down and one of the first things
he'd
>>>>>tell
>>>>>>them is "don't fall in love with me" (negation) " 'Cause I see other
>>>>women,
>>>>>>and I'm not interested in being with only one woman right now"
>>indicating
>>>>>>the possibility that perhaps sometime in the future that would be a
>>>>>>possibility. Of course the women he went out with would fall in love
>>with
>>>>>>him and pine away in hopes that he would chose them for this long term
>>>>>>possibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let me know what else you get from Max, looks like persistance and
>>>>>>numbers are a major part of his strategy, that's an area where good
>>>>>>looking guys don't get as much practice, because things come easier
for
>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My comments: I have heard that "don't fall in love with me" line
before
>>>>>but
>>>>>>I find that the really hard part is knowing which women to use this on
>>>and
>>>>>>which ones not to. Using this on the wrong woman will immediately
>>>>>terminate
>>>>>>poontang possibilities (I know, cause it happened to me). Max counts
>on
>>>>>>numbers and feels it is all a numbers game. But it's not only
>>numbers --
>>>>>>when he has an opening, he knows how to move in for the kill. He
feels
>>>>>that
>>>>>>most intelligent, very attractive women will want nothing to do with
>>him,
>>>>>>but he still tries and once in awhile he succeeds with one. He does a
>>>lot
>>>>>>of women that I wouldn't look at though. Perhaps I should -- Major
>Mark
>>>>>>says to talk to all women. I think it also keeps your skills sharp.
I
>>>>>have
>>>>>>a problem in that I am just very fussy about who I will have sex with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2) Paul: I think, from reading all of what you wrote, that his simple
>>>>>>"formula" for success is to stand up for himself, state exactly what
he
>>>is
>>>>>>looking for in life, not give a care, and work the numbers. I'm going
>>to
>>>>>>keep that lesson in mind. I'd like to read an interview with Max.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My comments: Basically you have it right but nothing is black and
>white
>>>>>>with women (at least, that's been my experience). What works with
one,
>>>>>>doesn't necessarily work with another.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Max has a good little repertoire that he uses and he has been
>successful
>>>>>>sometimes that are quite surprising. Other times he has a real
problem
>>>>but
>>>>>>he is relentless in that he just keeps going! I will probably do a
few
>>>>>>interviews soon (wait till you read about some of the others I know).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>3) Jason: Sounds your friend Max is a fun guy to have around! I know
of
>>a
>>>>>>guy through a friend of mine who has a very similar way about him. The
>>>>>>natural seducers are very good to learn from. Imagine being able to
>>>master
>>>>>>the attitude of a super-successful natural seducer with that of the
>>skill
>>>>>of
>>>>>>a super-successful speed seducer.?.?. That could make for a very
>>powerful
>>>>>>combination. I have really been concentrating (especially during and
>>>>since
>>>>>>Cancun) on controlling my state in such a way that I now (for the most
>>>>>part)
>>>>>>am able to talk to any woman in the same cool casual way that I would
>>>talk
>>>>>>to a friend. No nervousness...no lack of cool. Now what I have
noticed
>>>>and
>>>>>>what has worked extremely well is something that I started using in
>>>>Cancun.
>>>>>>(Me and another brother went out every night and we approached
probably
>>>>>>80-100+ women over the week period.) I would just keep my state
totally
>>>>>>relaxed and cool, and I would just casually say "Hey
>>>>>>where are you from?" Now obviously if they weren't fully latino or
>>>mexican
>>>>>>looking they were probably from somewhere else traveling just like I
>>>>>>obviously was (I'm a full-blown white boy). And because it was said in
>>>>such
>>>>>>a casual `hey I'm just being a nice friendly person' kinda way it
>worked
>>>>>>almost 100% of the time to start many conversations. Anyway, by
>>>combining
>>>>>a
>>>>>>totally calm casual `hey I'm just a cool, easy going, friendly guy'
way
>>>of
>>>>>>coming across, along with asking a totally innocent, nice, friendly
>type
>>>>of
>>>>>>`hey there's no reason to trip out on anything here, I'm an ok guy'
>kind
>>>>of
>>>>>>question, it gets the conversation started very well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now I've been thinking of some similar question/s that I can use to
>>start
>>>>>>conversations with women back here at home. One of these that I have
>>>>>thought
>>>>>>of is "hey, don't you live over by me?". Which would obviously end up
>>>>>>telling me where they really DO live. I'm still trying to think of
>other
>>>>>>super innocent `non-pick-up' style conversation starters.
>>>>>>See here's my idea on it....hey if I can get in and get cool with them
>>in
>>>>>as
>>>>>>a real person just being cool to another person, then here's no reason
>>>for
>>>>>>them to not stop and talk to me. At least for long enough for them to
>>>find
>>>>>>out if I'm as cool of a guy as I seem, and for me to find out if she
is
>>>>>what
>>>>>>I want, then BOOM I'm in there!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What kind of questions can we come up with that are very much like hey
>>>>it's
>>>>>>alright for you to be cool and let your defenses down for
>>>>>>me...after all it's not like I'm some guy trying to pick you up or
>>>>>>anything???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Out of all the women a friend of mine and I approached, we did end up
>>>>>>hooking up with a few for other dates on later nights, but didn't
close
>>>>the
>>>>>>deal on any of those ones. On every one of them I did my "Where are
you
>>>>>from
>>>>>>approach" in an innocent way. Now here's the interesting thought I
>just
>>>>>>had....on the one that I did end up closing on I altered it a little
>>(not
>>>>>on
>>>>>>purpose it just came out) and said "Hey I couldn't resist coming up
and
>>>>>>meeting you and finding out where you're from?" So the interesting
part
>>>>was
>>>>>>the presup that I wanted to meet her in a pick her up kind of way
>rather
>>>>>>than innocently asking as just another fellow traveler. Isn't that
>>>>>>interesting? My intuition is still telling me the innocent approach
is
>>>>>>best. And I did end up kissing and getting numbers from some of the
>>>others
>>>>>>so I'll go as far as saying if it was handled right some of the others
>>>>were
>>>>>>closable as well.
>>>>>>I've lately been having multiple women (not at the same time) at my
>>place
>>>>>or
>>>>>>alone with them at another place (in a closable environment) and been
>>>>>>heavily making out and neck sucking but having them say they should go
>>or
>>>>>>saying I should go now. So we need to also
>>>>>>focus on sexual accelerators. Any insight on what Ray does to close
>>>deals?
>>>>>>For the most part I'm ok with initial pick-ups and the middle parts of
>>>the
>>>>>>seduction but the closing still needs some work. I'm thinking I've had
>>>>>every
>>>>>>one of these women in a closable mode but I there's just one thing
>>>missing
>>>>>>from them surrendering. They all have been right up to the edge, but
>>I've
>>>>>>let them slip away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My comments: I have mentioned before elsewhere my favourite tool "You
>>>>look
>>>>>>exactly like... someone I'd like to meet!". The way I do the first
>part
>>>>is
>>>>>>so politically correct that it is always well received. Just as what
>>you
>>>>>>said in the context of being in a vacation resort is perfectly
>>>acceptable,
>>>>>>natural and normal. Why be nervous about it? The reality is, all you
>>>are
>>>>>>really doing is speaking to someone. It shouldn't be the big event
>that
>>>>it
>>>>>>has been for me or still is for most guys. Feeling safe with someone
is
>>a
>>>>>>key to many women. Notice how, if you use
>>>>>>the phone lines, they can open up be very intimate with a total
>stranger
>>>>>>because they feel safe at their end of the telephone with you at a
>>>>>distance.
>>>>>>Yet the same woman, if you met her in person, may be receptive but in
a
>>>>>>totally different way. Defenses are up, even though she sees you
right
>>>in
>>>>>>front of her. Does this make any sense? But your friendly approach
is
>>>an
>>>>>>obvious but critical element to making them feel relaxed and at ease.
>>We
>>>>>>all have these negative self images (in varying degrees) that need to
>be
>>>>>>overcome and blasted away. The very fact that you would need to think
>>>>that
>>>>>>they have no reason to not stop and talk to you means that the thought
>>>has
>>>>>>at least crossed your mind. I think it would be abnormal for you not
>to
>>>>>>have had some negative self talk that needs to be overcome. I still
>>have
>>>>>>certain areas that I need to change (eg. why shouldn't that hot HB who
>>is
>>>>a
>>>>>>law student and comes from a good family be interested in a threesome?
>I
>>>>>>know intellectually that this doesn't make sense but I have a hard
time
>>>>>>working that into my conversations with these type of babes). Dr Ray
>>>>likes
>>>>>>to start up with innocent comments and move in for the kill
afterwards.
>>>>>For
>>>>>>me, however, if I am not direct I always find that I crash and burn.
>>>>>That's
>>>>>>one of the things I like so much about my line; I start off with an
>>>>>innocent
>>>>>>comment but my intentions become very clear right away and it is done
>>>with
>>>>>>humour. Ray's innocent openers almost always have to do with what is
>>>>>>happening at the moment, but it could be as simple as "Nice weather?"
>or
>>>>>>"Are you from out of town?" etc. Really innocuous little comments.
>And
>>>>it
>>>>>>seems that most of the time they start talking with him and he's off.
>>>>>You
>>>>>>are experiencing what I usually experience; that is, when your
>>intentions
>>>>>>were clear your result was clear. It doesn't hold for a lot of other
>>>>guys,
>>>>>>so I think it all depends on the individual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When it comes to closing, one thing that always strikes me and which I
>>>>have
>>>>>>no answer for yet (other than to just go for it no matter what, which
I
>>>am
>>>>>>still reluctant to do when I am in the situation) is that you never
>know
>>>>>>what their reaction is going to be until you actually take action.
How
>>>>>many
>>>>>>women have we missed out on by assuming the wrong things and not
making
>>>>>that
>>>>>>move? Plenty, is my answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When it comes to closing the deal, for me this is a major problem. I
>>>have
>>>>>>an idea about this situation which I would like comments on. That is,
>>>>when
>>>>>>she starts to hesitate, take your hand off her, etc., you completely
>>back
>>>>>>off. You pull away and (this hasn't been refined yet, but you will
get
>>>>the
>>>>>>idea) say, "You know, I am too old to play teenager games. I prefer
>to
>>>>be
>>>>>>with someone who is ready to act like an adult and not get me all
>worked
>>>>up
>>>>>>and then put the brakes." I know that backing off is the right thing
>to
>>>>>do.
>>>>>>It's just hard to do when you are in the clench and you figure if you
>>>keep
>>>>>>it up she's got to get so worked up that sooner or later she'll give
>in.
>>>>>>But I think that doesn't usually work (at least it usually doesn't
work
>>>>for
>>>>>>me lately -- maybe I'm getting old).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One thing I have learned and it is also a hard one to put into action,
>>is
>>>>>>that sometimes you can have what you want just by asking for it. For
>>>>>>example, you meet someone in while on vacation on an island and after
>>>>>>talking for awhile you just suggest you go back to your room with
them.
>>>>>>From what I understand, this works extremely well! You just have to
>ask
>>>>at
>>>>>>the appropriate time. I am embarrassed to tell you how many times I
>can
>>>>>>think of that if I had only done this I would have closed deals that I
>>>let
>>>>>>slip away...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>4)Bill: I had been walked on before. The last time the girl was not
>>>>>>sincere, and only wanted to get from me as much a possible. Talk about
>>>>>major
>>>>>>impetus to learn and change. Call them on their shit asap. It is a
>>>>woman's
>>>>>>nature to try and usurp the man. Constant vigilance is required. I am
>>>>>>practising this more at this time. It does seem that it is much
easier
>>>to
>>>>>>do when you really don't give a shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you want more information on altered states to help you on this try
>>>Roy
>>>>>>Masters teachings. If you live in the L A area 870 on the AM dial 8:30
>>to
>>>>>>9:30 AM. After I got screwed I started listing to him. He described
>>>>>>everything that this girl was doing to me on his radio program and how
>>>>>>people like this do it. His view is that man is the leader. I know
>that
>>>>>>women say they want equality. But a man who leads gets what he wants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>His classic tape is the observation meditation exercise. Which is an
>>>>>altered
>>>>>>state, helping you to see the world form a more objective third person
>>>>>point
>>>>>>of view. Have you ever watched a boxing match. This guy is in there
>>>>>>fighting, he is living that moment. Ding!! He goes back to his
corner,
>>>>his
>>>>>>trainer then procedes to tell him everything that is going on in the
>>>ring.
>>>>>>What he is doing, what his opponent is doing, how best to handle that
>>>>>>situation. This tape also says to speak up immediately, otherwise the
>>>>>>moment is lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One of his books is "Hypnosis of Life" in which he claims that we are
>>all
>>>>>>walking around hypnotized by the pressures of life. I ordered this
book
>>>>>just
>>>>>>before I got the basic SS course. For his tapes and books call, The
>>>>>>Foundation of Human Understanding 800-877-3227
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>5) Michael: You might find Bandler's book Time for a Change one of the
>>>>best
>>>>>>books you've ever read. In fact, as far as seduction goes
>>>>>>I've found that Persuasion Engineering is great and it costs less than
>>>$30
>>>>>>in hardcover via Amazon.com. Making an ecology check is making sure
>>that
>>>>>>you keep from contradicting yourself. Just a way to take care that
you
>>>>use
>>>>>>the magic and the magic DOESN'T use you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>6) Leon: Max is right in his approach, Be up front or women will walk
>>all
>>>>>>over you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>7) Generaly: I keep thinking that Sargy, and seduction skills in
>>general
>>>>>>are just tools. They can be used or abused to produce a variety of
>>>>>results.
>>>>>>I tend to think that we always get what we want, but we may not own up
>>to
>>>>>>what it is that we really want. For a variety of reasons, I think
that
>>>we
>>>>>>might tend toward isolation. We seem to get along quite well without
>>>>deep
>>>>>>social connections, on the other hand, I think that we really "need"
>>them
>>>>>to
>>>>>>be happy. I am talking about the kind of connections (and friends)
>that
>>>>>>will be safe for us to be the kind of screw-up human beings that we
>>might
>>>>>be
>>>>>>at times. The kind of friends (and lovers) that allow us to have a
>base
>>>>to
>>>>>>attack the sometimes harsh world out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have started to realize that I really don't need very many skills to
>>>get
>>>>>>laid on a regular basis. As a matter of fact, when I had my most wild
>>>>>>period (seven girlfriends) was when I was a real dumbass,
>>seduction-wise.
>>>>>>And, I actually got laid less when I started to study Sargy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My point? I read that Max is the kind of person who is able to give
>>love
>>>>>>and respond to love in a constructive manner. Maybe a better
metaphor
>>>>>>would be that Sargy and seduction skills are like
>>>>>>learning how to shoot a gun really well. But what are we shooting at?
>>>>>>Human relationships involve intangibles that are real but invisible.
>We
>>>>>>can't even see what we are shooting at, and may even have had trouble
>>>>>>putting it into words.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We might evaluate a persons "success or failure" using a goal that
they
>>>>>>don't really have. I read that you tried to give us a look inside
Max,
>>>>but
>>>>>>can we really see inside of his heart?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would like to introduce another "seduction skill" that might appear
>to
>>>>be
>>>>>>a personal preferance, but my warped brain thinks is common to all.
>And
>>>>>>that is: "The skill of giving love and responding to love
>>>>constructively."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My Comments: If we are not getting what we think we want, it may be
>>>>>>because we really, truly don't want what we think we want. On the
other
>>>>>>hand, maybe we don't get what we want because we have limiting
>>>>>>beliefs...which is what I think still plagues me despite a lot of
>>changes
>>>>>>that have gone on. Given time and more work, I believe that I will
>>break
>>>>>>through, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>People are "screw-up human beings" at times but these times diminish
>>over
>>>>>>the years if you get your head on straight (or more or less straight)
>>and
>>>>>>decide for yourself what is in your best interest. I can tell you I
>>have
>>>>>>changed radically just in the last year since I started working with
SS
>>a
>>>>>>lot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a similar experience pre-ss. I was doing very well before
>>>>>>I met my last serious girlfriend 5 years ago; I was involved with her
>>for
>>>>2
>>>>>>years and I am still friends with her today. But I have never been
the
>>>>>same
>>>>>>in terms of getting laid like I was before I met her. She just got me
>>>>very
>>>>>>much off track. Today I am much more assertive and able to start up
>>with
>>>>>>women ten times better than I ever was (I am that crazy one who
>>>approaches
>>>>>>women EVERYWHERE and almost constantly) but my success ratio is poor.
>>If
>>>>I
>>>>>>am to be totally honest with myself, I think part of it is because I
>>have
>>>>>>remained friends with her and I know that she would still get back
>>>>together
>>>>>>with me. I think this holds me back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Max is someone who has struggled with feeling worthy all his life. He
>>is
>>>>>>intelligent but not really educated and has limited polish. Really
>>>>>>sophisticated women will usually have nothing to do with him (although
>>>>>there
>>>>>>are exceptions). When he hooks up with one he really likes, I think
he
>>>>>>overdoes it and smothers them. The 6'3" model he is seeing is now
>>living
>>>>>>with him effectively (it's been three weeks they know each other). I
>>>>would
>>>>>>be very happy for him if it worked out, but the pattern keeps
repeating
>>>>>>itself. Also, the fact that he could
>>>>>>still call the phone lines when he is bored and go screw other women
>>>(even
>>>>>>though he is "involved") points to an inability to be truly with one
>>>>woman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as isolation goes, I think that one of the likely
>characteristics
>>>>>>that guys interested in SS have in common is that a part of our
psyches
>>>>>must
>>>>>>be to be loners. We want to get laid but probably would prefer to
>avoid
>>>>>the
>>>>>>baggage that usually comes with that. I know I do.
>>>>>>Your theme here is probably in tune with the underlying messages that
>>>>Major
>>>>>>Mark and Ross have in mind; and that is, that once you get the getting
>>>>laid
>>>>>>out of your system you may want to "build a better girlfriend" by
>>>building
>>>>>a
>>>>>>better you to begin with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>8) J': I think there's a fine line between not making excuses for your
>>>>>>desires as a man, and seeming too much like all you want is some quick
>>>sex
>>>>>>and never talk to her again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My comments: The truth of the matter is that if you can key into the
>>>>>>passionate side of a woman and reframe the sexual nature, they would
be
>>>>>more
>>>>>>than happy to only want you for sex. You just need to appeal to them
>in
>>>a
>>>>>>way that doesn't convey that you think of them as being sluts and
>avoids
>>>>>the
>>>>>>concept of this being a one night stand. Many women will tell you
that
>>>>>they
>>>>>>aren't necessarily looking for something serious but don't want a one
>>>>night
>>>>>>stand either. So what's left? Logically, you should then be able to
>>have
>>>>a
>>>>>>casual, on-going sexual relationship, right? Well, this is really
what
>>>>>they
>>>>>>want. No pressure from something too serious over their heads, lots
of
>>>>>>passion (acceptable, respectable sex), and getting to know someone.
So
>>>>why
>>>>>>do we have any problems getting laid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>9) Halbster: Awesome. This is one of the most useful messages I've
>>>gotten
>>>>>>in a while. I'm gonna use some of his stuff. "I'm not 16 and don't
>>work
>>>>>at
>>>>>>McDonalds..." If we go out you pay. etc. Have you told him about
SS?
>>>>He
>>>>>>sounds like he'd be great on the list. What is the book he wrote?
I've
>>>>>seen
>>>>>>some people, notably two very successful (financially) guys use "Marry
>>me
>>>>>>lines." I've had mostly bad results with the marry me line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My comments: Max was in Miami at the time of the seminar when I was
>>>there
>>>>>>(I saw him before the seminar started) and I begged (really
>supplicated)
>>>>to
>>>>>>get him to go but he wouldn't. Didn't want to pay about $1000
Canadian
>>>>for
>>>>>>a weekend (actually I think he would have, except that since his
father
>>>>>died
>>>>>>he would have to have explained such a large expenditure to his mother
>>>and
>>>>>>didn't want to have to deal with that - he'd kill me if he knew I told
>>>>>>anyone that, so that will be our little secret).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The book Max wrote is called "The Road to Success". He uses it mostly
>>to
>>>>>>impress women right now, but also is thinking about ways to market it.
>>>>The
>>>>>>book is Max doing Tony Robbins, and I don't think you will find
>anything
>>>>>>extraordinary there. His insights about women are more from his own
>>>>>>experiences and he thinks everyone knows what he knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I personally haven't used the marry me line - I am too afraid of the
>>long
>>>>>>term ramifications!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>10) Rob: This is absolutely brilliant stuff! This is what we need
more
>>>>of,
>>>>>>real world, real life observations of what works and what doesn't
work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Comments on Claude:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>11) Ross: Ha ha. I had a roomate like that: Mike H...same guy..same
>>>>>>personality..same succes with women..same self-destructive
psychosis...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think the appeal is, when they are "up", they are having so much fun
>>>>>>that their spirit of adventure is infectious..it puts folks in that
>>>>altered
>>>>>>state of being ready to try anything..of being willing to DO wild
stuff
>>>>>>they would never do..it brings out the adventurous(and gullible) kid
in
>>>>>>people...that's the appeal in the nutshell..that THESE folks, like
>>Claude
>>>>>or
>>>>>>Mike, in my experience, GO FIRST!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unfornately,the state also contains NO genuine compassion, empathy or
>>>>>>interest in other people..so it's like a huge sugar rush..with the
>>>>>>resultant crash later on...
>>>>>>They are missing a full half of a functioning personality..and
>>ultimately
>>>>>>come to a bad end as a result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The lesson: learn to create in YOURSELF that carefree, ready for
>>>>>>anything state..but keep humming in the backround, the compassion and
>>>>>caring
>>>>>>for others....and a willingness to walk away and call folks on their
>>>>>>bullshit..you'll attract like a magnet WITHOUT the bad consequences of
>a
>>>>>>Mike, or a Claude or some other folks I've known who shall go
>completely
>>>>>>unnamed...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>12) Bill: This stuff reads like fiction. Could it really be true?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The one thing I do know is that as he didn't give a shit. Others gave
>>him
>>>>>>incredible power over themselves. I go back into my memory in order
to
>>>>>>improve myself and learn about people. One thing I learned is that
>often
>>>>>>times a person will want to be with someone for whatever reason. This
>>>part
>>>>>>falls under what I call the limited option ploy. As Claude was so
ready
>>>to
>>>>>>walk away these women held a limited option. That being what can I do
>to
>>>>>get
>>>>>>him. Never asking do I even want him. I know I've been there with the
>>>>girls
>>>>>>I was interested in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Another powerful neurotic link is that such a person as Claude and the
>>>>>other
>>>>>>assholes in the world is that they act in a way which presupposes that
>>>you
>>>>>>are treating them badly. Most people respond by trying to make up for
>>him
>>>>>>feeling bad by what they did. Even though they did nothing wrong. Some
>>>>>>people actually feel that they are bad or wrong when they are not. So
>>>they
>>>>>>are driven to make up for that. I've been there. Of course I know
>better
>>>>>>now. And I am thinking of how to use this knowledge to get women.
>>>>Sometimes
>>>>>>when talking to them if they say something slight I will turn and step
>>>>away
>>>>>>from them. This helps to shift the balance of power. If you have any
>>more
>>>>>>insight on this let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My Comments: I wrote about stuff that I saw personally. I was really
>an
>>>>>AFC
>>>>>>when this happened (about 20 years ago) and was constantly amazed by
>the
>>>>>>guy. I saw him approach a really gorgeous young girl (probably 19 or
>>20)
>>>>>on
>>>>>>the street and within 5 seconds invite her back to his place and she
>was
>>>>>>ready to go. He had a sixth sense of what to do with whom that was
>>>>>>incredible. I could never figure out how he did this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>13) Tom: First of all my thoughts are that this sounds like something
>>>that
>>>>>>you created for a movie script or a book. Some of the stunts this guy
>>>>>pulls
>>>>>>like stepping between two people at a club and cutting the guy off
>would
>>>>>>more than likely get him clobbered. I would be pretty ticked off.
>>>>Taking
>>>>>>two women home with him at least once a month are pretty good odds
>>>>>>considering the majority of men don't score like that unless you're
>>>>Antonio
>>>>>>Banderas or Tom Cruise. Then again I've had similar experiences like
>>>that
>>>>>>where a guy I used to hang out with was a schmoozer ....model type
>>pretty
>>>>>>boy somewhat like a
>>>>>>Brad Pitt look and he was a user ..... don't mean a drug addict
>although
>>>>he
>>>>>>used to be. He would get drunk and I would watch him sometimes he'd
>get
>>>>up
>>>>>>kinda close to her in an intimate way and look into their eyes then
>>speak
>>>>>>real softly in their ear telling them all kinds off bullshit none of
>>>which
>>>>>I
>>>>>>heard but I knew he was full of it. This guy rented some chick's
>>garage
>>>>>>and didn't have a real job plus his credit was shot to hell ....almost
>>>>>>sounds like this ex-friend of yours. Most of the time he got laid
from
>>>>>what
>>>>>>I saw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>14) Maxin: One of the things that might be very useful, is to look
>>>>>>back in time at the situations you were in with Claude, as if you were
>>>>>>there right now, and looking through the eyes you have today and
>>>>>>listening through the SS trained ears of today, to see what pieces of
>>>>>>useful information you can gleen from those memories. Kinda like that
>>>>>>DHE exercise Ross posted about last month, looking through a set of
>>>>>>lenses, lenses designed to allow you to see things differently, do
some
>>>>>>breath work, relaxation, meditation, and go back in time to when you
>>were
>>>>>>there, with the knowledge you have now and see what new information
you
>>>>>>might be able to get. You did that quite well with the Story about
>>Claude
>>>>>>calling the girl and telling her about his new car, and leading her
>>>>>>visually, but I think in other areas, there might be some more to the
>>>>story
>>>>>>that you could infer - and that's what I think might be very useful,
>>your
>>>>>>opinions of how and why what he did worked, maybe looking at it this
>way
>>>>>>will open you up to some more info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My Comments: Since I hung around with Claude for about 4 years, I
know
>>>>>>there's a lot more I could comment on. I do need to dust off the
>>cobwebs
>>>>>>and remember more of his strategies with women, because they worked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>15) Jerome: It's sad to hear that your friendship broke up because of
>>>his
>>>>>>stealing... I don't know why is it that most women usually like this
>>kind
>>>>>of
>>>>>>guy, ones who steal, cheat, are never serious... Sometimes, I wonder,
>>>what
>>>>>>happens first, the appeal or the act? Should we copy them and steal,
>>>cheat
>>>>>>and never be serious in order to get such results with women? Or is it
>>>>that
>>>>>>if we become appealing to women, we tend to steal, cheat and never be
>>>>>>serious?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My Comments: I think that our friendship broke up because I had made
>the
>>>>>>decision to stop being friends with him. He was very persistant and
>>kept
>>>>>>calling me (and running into me as he knew where I would be some of
the
>>>>>>time) and apologizing and wanting to return to what was. But I was
>>>>>actually
>>>>>>a basket case from what this put me through then and couldn't deal
with
>>>>him
>>>>>>on any level. This emotional turmoil was me changing, growing and
>>>>maturing
>>>>>>and he was largely the cause.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even when I was with him and saw him do evil, I was thinking to myself
>>to
>>>>>>take the good from what he was doing. I don't think the stealing,
>>>>cheating
>>>>>>and not being serious are critical elements to the successful elements
>>of
>>>>>>his behaviour, only I had never seen this before anywhere. It seems
>>that
>>>>>>some elements of being a scoundrel include naturally learning to be a
>>>good
>>>>>>seducer. If he didn't have the character flaws he had, he may not
have
>>>>>>found the behaviours with women that he had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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