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She eventually roped me in
3/23/01 5:00:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
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Due to overwhelming demands on my time from work, I had to drop off the SS
list so I have been a little out of touch with new developments. As such,
the following has come in to correct what I mentioned last time:
Zed:
> SS seminars:
> Chicago April 27, 28, 29
> London, England, June 15, 16th 17th
> NYC, July 27, 28, 29th
> Montreal, August ?
It's not on the website, but Ross mentioned once and Yates recently
confirmed by email to me another SS in Palo Alto Sept. 21-23.
> May 9-13 Awakening Unafraid in Montreal (with Steve Piccus!)
> Jul 06-08 Stage Hypnosis in Wash. D.C.
DC Stage Hypnosis was cancelled.
> Sep 14-16 Advanced Hypnosis: Deep Trance, Mentalism and Beyond in Boulder
> Oct 12-14 Advanced Stage: Non-verbal Hypnosis in L.A.
Advanced Stage will be in Las Vegas, not LA.
See ya in May!
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Dean:
I saw that you printed Major Mark's seminar schedule at the top of your
newsletter, but the dates have changed. It was originally designed to
be a 5 day seminar, but now it's a 3-day seminar, May 11-13. And the
price has dropped to $300.
Either on the Marknosis (Mark's new list at yahoogroups) or on the SS
list, Mark says that there was a huge demand for a three-day seminar.
Also he says that women are invited (no sarging allowed on the
premises). I've heard that he plans to advertise the seminar in some
Montreal papers (not just the usual newsgroups). Should be an
interesting crowd!
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Flyer: What is the theme of Major Mark's seminar in Montreal?? Strictly
hypnosis, dealing with personal issues, etc. ??
My Comment: Good question. Here's what is on the website (www.trucor.com):
Awakening Unafraid May 11 -- 13 Montreal, Canada
We've been conditioned to lead our lives in fear - fear of "what if?", fear
of success, fear of failure, fear of seeming different from others, even
fear of being afraid! It's time to set yourself free, and it all begins
with 3 days of powerful hypnosis in Montreal. I'll be joined this time by
Master Hypnotist Steve Piccus for an astonishing romp through life as we see
it - more like an uproarious carnival than an object of dread! Imagine 3
days of stories, digressions, exercises examples and inductions -- all
weaving together the thoughts, beliefs and actions of your new relaxed and
confident self. Imagine all that you will accomplish once you get out of
your own way. Once you've absorbed all the "Steve-ness" and "Mark-ness", it
's the rest of the world that will get out of the way!
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I recently found out about the yahoogroup TheArt
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheArt) which is all about our favourite
topic, and they list the following seduction websites, which I thought
should be of interest to those of you who don't know about them:
how.to/influence
www.speed-seduction.com
www.pickupguide.com
www.geocities.com/athens/troy/1813/treatise.html
www.cybersheet.com
members.fortunecity.com/layguide
www.flirtzone.com
www.trucor.com
www.essential-skills.com
www.playaclub.org
www.askmen.com
www.seductiontips.com
www.seductionnow.com
www.hypnotic.speed-seduction.com
And don't forget the great www.fas.speed-seduction.com. The archives from this
list are going to be stored on there somewhere and I will pass on the link
when I have it. The archives are also up in Mystery's Lounge as well.
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Joseph (Comments from private email about his tactics):
In the US I don't have to do much - use the principles in Ross's first
book..........to gain rapport, I often give the girl a cookie or piece of
candy, without asking for a phone number or date, and then the next time I
see her she usually gives me her full attention.... I try to get her
laughing and get her to experience a few state changes like Ross suggests, a
few suggestions, sometimes going for the phone number sometimes for the
kill, or sometimes not going for anything if I know I'll see her
again.......sometimes after I have met a girl in a store I will send a
postcard to her work from some European country or Canada that says "Just
Thinking About You."
Later when I see her again I will know by her eyes and smile if she's been
anticipating seeing me.......
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Icerigger:
>My Comment: While I don't have the hole strategy, if you had gone to
>http://www.advancedmacking.com/ when I mentioned it a few emails ago, you
>could have then gotten on their mailing list for their free email
>newsletter
>"Macking Tips Newsletter" 'The lazy man's guide to one-night stands' and
>there was (either in the newsletter or on the website) comments about a
>couple of great tips including how the louder the club is, the better it is
>for picking up (two techniques -- whispering in her ear so she has to get
After reading the above I went and checked out the site. Back in my full on
AFC day I had a female friend (married, unhappily) do the "subliminal leg
touch" on me EVERY time we went out and did something. It was very subtle,
very enjoyable and I never quite knew for sure whether she was doing it
intentionally or not. Was also very effective because she eventually roped
me in(despite my qualms about married women at the time!)
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Ross:
>Hokay... here goes the latest drama...
>Saw this incredibly HB at a conference out of town. It turned out we were
>flying back on the same flight and surprised we work in the same complex...
>so we decided to have lunch.
>She was a non-stop talker, so I couldn't do much in terms of patterns, but
I
>mirrored her very closely... and threw in as many weasel phrases as
>possible.
>Afterwards she brought up the possibility of our having dinner the
following
>week... then started talking sex (off handed comments).
As far as non-stop talkers, you could at least DIRECT THE FLOW of
the conversing to the topics and arenas you want and then ANCHOR the
responses. What is most fulfilling in what she does? What is it like
for her when she decides she wants something and won't let the
ROUTINE get in the way of her grabbing an opportunity? Notice her
state shifts, then GRAB THE ONES YOU WANT!
Also, notice by suggesting dinner the following week, she is doing
two contradictory things(Chick logic!):
1. Telling you she is enjoying herself
2. Telling you she wants time to cool off and prepare to see you again.
So, in a sense, SHE is setting the pace of the entire Sarge in terms
of conversational control AND timing. Incredible HB's WILL attempt
this, and usually get away with it (to their OWN frustration and
consternation!)
>Finally, she asked
>if I could help her update her resume (which she emailed to me right after
>lunch).
Whoa! So she's asking for favors already? I would NOT let myself get
put in that category! She barely knows you and already has you on the
glide slope of doing her homework? HIGH SCHOOL!
>I thought we were set..
Ha ha ha. As the Japanese say, "Katte kabuto no o o shimayo!".
"In the moment of victory, make sure your helmet is on tight!"
>here is a great HB who also has a lot in common
>with me and whom I find quite incredible... so imagine my surprise when a
>week passes without hearing from her. My calls and emails have gone
>unanswered.
That might not mean anything, per se. It could be a test to see if
you will give her some space and not crunch her. But, remember,
there was no physical contact, she controlled everything (I bet she
picked where you were going to lunch, right?), she put you off 'til
next week and got you doing work for her.....she's just good at
creating APPARENT rapport!
>My Comments: It has always been my experience that when they do all the
>talking that is a clear sign that they are interested. I usually just shut
>up, let them talk their little hearts out, and as soon as they bring up the
>subject of sex I know absolutely that they are dead meat. My thoughts are
>the following - first, you probably had to kiss close her at least that
time
>when you got together. It has often happened to me in the past that when
>that window of opportunity has passed, it is hard to get it back.
Or at least make SOME physical contact! And don't let her call the shots!
Jeez!
> My second
>thought is that my current experience has been that I just don't chase them
>ever anymore, and it is not unusual for them to call back a week or longer
>after the message was left.
Correctomundo!
> Just showing that you aren't overly anxious is
>a big factor in allowing them to get comfortable. If they see that you are
>frustrated by them not calling back, by your sending repeated messages or
>emails, it's a sign that you're giving them too much pressure and, if they
>are attractive, they have too many other options that they can pursue
before
>one that makes them nervous.
Gold advice!
>My Comment: Ross, I am curious about this. I have seen you make similar
>suggestions in the past and while it certainly makes sense, to me the big
>question would be is this the most effective response to turn around what
>she said or did and result in a successful cumclusion?
Good point; but with this chick, she's so rude and such a goddamned
twist in her thinking, she needs a hard mental slap to point out the
truth of what is going on. She's got a boyfriend, but she's telling
him she wants to come visit him? And the next breath she's saying
he's got her upset for being so sexual/sensual in his poetry?
This chick is giving off some seriously contradictory messages and
she needs a good popping, mentally. The ONLY shot at turning her
around is pointing out the dynamic of her communication. He got her
turned on, SHE FELT GUILTY and went running to borefiend to prove
what a good little girly she is (I bet she never showed borefiend the
email where she said she'd like to come visit our friend, now DID
she? That is pretty selective communication, isn't it?).
In short, this chick is seriously wrong in her behavior and needs a
serious spanking...
>There are a lot of
>good tactics that are discussed here and on the SS list, but I often don't
>see the follow through that results in the turnaround. I guess the
question
>is, what is the next step after this and/or is there another way to deal
>with this if the final results are not as holesome as we would want?
Not with this chick.....the ONLY chance is accurately pointing out
the dynamic of her behavior.
>Rio in NYC:
>A little help here folks! Yes I hear the L.A. area
>probably has a highest per capita of hot looking pussy
>in America. A female friend of mine who lives out
>there tells me its about a 5 to 1 ratio of chycks to
>guys.
That is complete bullshit. I live in LA and have my whole life; the
guy to girl ratio is about even across the board.
>Right now I'm in NYC for a while, and was wondering if
>anyone knew the best places to meet some of the
>hottest chycks in New York City. Manhattan is a huge
>town, and yes the HB's are all over, but I'd like to
>know where one could go where these HB's congregate.
>Please include more than just night clubs -- any
>coffee shops, cafes, or parks, or places where you
>could go and see them in abundance?????
Geez, Manhattan takes the equivalent population of LA and squeezes it
down to a few hundred blocks and you're asking how to meet chicks
there? Wow!
>Adam:
> >GameMaster:
> >Hey yo, ever heard of this guy? Dr Earl Partlow.
> >http://www.hypno.speed-seduction.com/what_learn.htm
>
>Horrible. Very basic in nature. "Be the Alpha-wolf" and "Just go up to
>women and talk with them... it's THAT EASY!!!" junk. Total crap info
>product. Even has an audience/laugh track, to make it sound like he's
>talking to a large audience.
Ha ha....I love my competition! HE HAS A LAFF TRACK? HA HA HA! YOU'RE
KIDDING, RIGHT? Someone send me a copy as a gag gift!
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GameMaster (fun snippets from private correspondence):
Finding this new city to be much more fertile territory and I can walk in a
club here without a dozen fingers being pointed in my direction saying
"PLAYER!"
I hate that. My city is becoming a very small town. Had this gorgeous 30
year old pediatrician eating out of my hand last week, she excused herself
to go to the ladies room where in her highly excited state called her best
friend to tell her about me....you got it "PLAYER"!!! Time to move. So, I'm
up
here house hunting this weekend. Can you believe? Anyway, got Melissa (names
are changed to protect the guilty) (Tracy's former best friend) again
tonite...we went out Wednesday nite and I got a two page email from her
yesterday telling me that although she was totally fascinated with me she
was too frightened of me to continue to see me anymore. What a difference 24
hours makes. She's making dinner tonite. Got three from the strip joint
I've been going to lined up for Sat/Sunday so it should be an interesting
weekend! The really strange thing about all four of these girls is that they
all know Tracy and have hung out with her - well, except for the shooter
girl... Tracy hated her but for good reason.
Here's a weird one for ya...I met this new chick last nite ...she was born
the same day as Tracy which means astrologically they are basically the same
construct. Even looks and sounds alike!!! After knocking her dick in the
dirt I LJBF'd her...we'll see. I've been experimenting with a lot of
different approaches. Women are just fucking crazy though, you know. Went
out with this hotass woman last week and after a 4 hour working over I
kissed closed her and she looked at me and said "You are the most awesome
man I've ever met...I can't ever see you again!" Oh well, back to the
drawing board!
Yeah, I should be killed for doing that (sleeping with her former best
friend, Melissa) to Tracy but she should be shot too. This thing I have
going on with Melissa is gonna kill her though, think I'll tell her a story
and get her opinion of whether this person should be mad at her ex for
fucking a former friend? My bet is that I will be totally and completely
written off forever...prolly
a good thing?
My Comment: Well, you know Tracy and have a good idea of what she thinks.
Now, of course, what I think about in this situation is how to get the two
of them together to do you....
When you say "former friend" I take it that they are not on good terms now,
right? Well, what better way to make up than to share a penis together?
GameMaster:
Goddamn Cliff, I swear to God, where do you come up with this
shit - that is fucking brilliant and that's exactly what I'm gonna
do!!!
My Comment: "I think you need to let go of the fear just open up to the
possibilities."
GameMaster: You fucking trip me out sometimes! Hey, why don't you fuck that
15 pounds off of (my ex). Hell, Tracy was a goddess when I
met her and about 25 lbs. overweight when we finally hooked up
and I fucked her back into goddess form in about two months and
had a great time doin' it!!!
(Later on...):
Haw haw haw.....what a day!!!!! Tracy went total meltdown last nite. I did
something soooooo evil and I never thought I'd get away with it but she bit
and bit hard! See, I have a little video library and she is one of the main
attactions, I've also got my ex-wife and other folks I'd like to retrieve in
there as well.
So I brought this huge box of stuff up to give to Tracy, some of it left
over
from Valentine's Day that never happened so I was doing a housecleaning and
getting all her shit out of the house and so I told her that these were all
the videos of her and I wanted HER to have them so she would trust that I
wasn't
planning to do anything like her own personal website or something like
that...although the thought crossed my mind. Actually she only got copies,
but she also got My Ex Wife's Greatest Hits mixed in as well. So, 24 hours
went by and she resisted with all her might and then the margaritas took
over and
she popped in one of the tapes. Must have liked it cause she finished one
and
popped in another!!!!
You following me here? You got it...Number 2 was the Ex just giving a
clinic!
I'm laughing so hard at this cause most women would have been pissed. Tracy
just cried and today was a new day. I guess a lot of realizations hit her
last nite but seeing me with another woman and realizing that there's a lot
of that going on was just too much. Calculated risk that paid off but when I
conceived this ploy I didn't really give a fuck how she reacted. We talked a
lot on the phone today and she shared that she was totally miserable, etc.
etc. and I planted all kinds of stuff that I have been scripting for weeks
but waiting for her to open to it. She's got a little 15 page short story I
wrote about two reunited lovers that accidentally meet on a business trip to
read tonite...that one will kill her.
Anyway, I hope you get to meet her someday. I think Montreal would be a cool
place to get married. I've just got to have this woman. Ever known anybody
that did that too you?
(Next day): Are you sitting down? Tracy called around 12 last nite....two
hours on the phone, eternal blah blah blah, all that. Then she tells me "I
have a plan and I want you to wait for me, but first I'm going to have
another baby so my son can have a full blooded sibling". How do you think I
reacted to that? Took that cunt three months to get up the courage to tell
me the truth. You believe that shit? I'll send you the link to her website.
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Adam:
I liked this, thought you would, too:
"Women are like trolley cars. If you miss one, there will be another one
along in a minute."
Wolfie's Great uncle Delmo
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JP:
Regarding the nightspots in NYC message,
On Thursday's, Whiskey Park is good from 8 ish to 11, then Don Hill's for
80's night. Lots of talent.
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Magic Juan:
>Because, it isn't really that I can't CALL a woman's BS,
>but more that I fail to DETECT it at THAT CRITICAL MOMENT
Do you detect it after? It might seem silly to go over it then,
but *if you can go over it just as a learning experience for next
time*, it is great to utilize for rehearsal material. Just keep
re-playing and re-writing the situation until you get to a point
that you are convinced that -- had you delivered your response in
that fashion -- she would have gladly offered the behavior you
wanted. Once you get to the point where you are practically giddy
over the clever strategy you thought of, it's yours. You won't
have to think about it much and one day, maybe months later, a
chick will say something and suddenly your brain will recognize
the situation and remember your invented response. Yes, really.
Part about offering the behavior you want is key. I made a nice
shift when I decided it wasn't about detecting HER BS, or figuring
out what she wanted, or whether she is telling the truth. It is
about MY deciding whether I can realistically (not just reasonably)
expect to get what I want, based on what she is demonstrating.
That way, I can use the way I feel as my BS detector.
If she gives a response that makes me feel uncomfy, then there is BS.
So then the question becomes "What is she willing to do to demonstrate
that she is sincere about giving what I want?".
If she is calling you saying she can't go out cuz she doesn't feel well,
and then asks YOU if that's OK, how does that feel to you? Do you feel
the contradiction? You want her to go out right? OR you at least want
to feel powerfully confident that she truly doesn't feel up to going out
and is willing to make it up to you.
So you can call her on it by letting her know that, while you can
appreciate that she might be turned on by the kind of man who is
strong enough to make this decision for her (pacing it), you expect
her to be adult enough to decide for herself just how "not well"
she feels and whether that truly prevents her from going out.
Keep a positive expectation about yourself and what you have to offer.
Joke about it. "Well, of course you don't feel well yet, that comes
when we go out.".
Future pace. You don't always have to hit the BS on the head right
away. Talk about how sometimes people don't feel well, but then they
do what they had planned to do anyway; and looking back on it were not
only so glad they decided to go, but ended wondering why they ever
thought they might not be able to make it. Then, hit her with the
piece about making her own decision if she hasn't already buckled.
Tie in making her own decision with passing YOUR test.
> Your poems are a little too sensual and I don't feel them appropriate.
> Please do not e-mail those types of poems anymore, they make me
> uncomfortable. I do have a boyfriend as you know, and he isn't happy
> with what you send me and neither am I.
Ross already gave you a good response. There is also something implied
here that you might want to address. You didn't (at least we have no
evidence you did) say the poems were directed AT HER; and she didn't
expressly stated that the sensuality is uncomfortable because she
believes them to be ABOUT YOU AND HER; but then why is she bothering
to bring up that she has a boyfriend? I think you should call her on
her arrogant ASSUMPTION that the poems had anything to do with her
personally (not in a mean way).
You might even think of turning it around. Those poems are your test
to see if she is the kind of woman you could be attracted to; the
kind who can handle sincere human emotions; who doesn't need people
to put up a superficial front. Present it in a way that makes it clear
that you let plenty of other women read these poems. You could also turn
the tables a bit by implying that it is her attraction to you that she is
uncomfortable with (and maybe imply those other women can handle the
attraction).
Why would you even be interested in what her boyfriend thinks of your
poems? You didn't send them to him and you don't need his approval
of your poems or his permission to send them to her. This is between
you and her and if he doesn't like your poems he doesn't have to read
them (get the implication?). As Ross asked, is this woman adult
enough to decide for herself whether to read and enjoy them?
Ahhh. One more thing. She ASKED you to send more poems. So she
got more poems. Who is she to try to control what the poet thinks
and feels? What kind of art would we have if the artist were only
allowed certain USDA approved emotions? You might even suggest that
if art makes some people uncomfortable, it has accomplished its goal
because the artist who is accepted by everyone is not likely being
sincere.
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Lisa:
Hi WOW! You know we are all looking for the same thing really a spark,
love, sexual attraction, adventure, romance, acceptance. Bummer that a few
women ruin it for the whole group of us. We are not all bad, ya know. We
just get anxious and jump to conclusions when we do not hear from you guys
right away. If it is over two weeks we are thinking, "Well that is over."
Sometimes you go out and you think you are having a good time and "POOF" it
is over. You never see them again and you wonder what happened there? And
we analyze and think, what did we do wrong? When probably nothing. After you
meet someone you know in the first few minutes if you like them or not. You
think to yourself, "Can I make it through supper or should I go now?"
Unless you French kiss them then you really know. But who can go around
French kissing every guy? As far as the talking goes, sometimes I talk a
lot if I am nervous. Sometimes, I just say, "So tell me all about you go
from birth until now" and then I just listen to them as they babble on and
on. So, you see it can go both ways. If you are wondering about this spacey
woman who sent you her resume, call her again and say "Hey, you want to go
out to dinner?" Give it another chance if you think she is worth it. If not
move on and chalk it up to dumb.
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