mASF post by "Revan"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, August 8, 2004Man, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME ?!
Who the fuck is going to read all this!
Why write 68 pages worth post?!
Btw.
The whole thing with be yourself is VERY simple!
It means, be what you are when youre most relaxed.
Observe the way you act at home, where you feel most comfortable, and just
act like that everywhere .
This simple approach to life is ALL you need!
You need nothing more than to be a happy, positive and relaxed person, and to
get laid from time to time
Please stop being 10 pages worth analitical!
www.playboylifestyle.net
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> DISCLAIMER
> ==========
> Please keep in mind while you are reading this that this is all my
opionions..
> I don't mean to say anything is a fact.. Constructive comments only and
> welcome.
>
>
> Repost from disabled offline lounge
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> I've had to deal with the "just be yourself" issue head-on over the past 5
> months or so...
>
> When I first joined this scene, I was reading like a photoreader and going
out
> every night with all these ideas and new thoughts in my head. I overloaded
my
> system with info. IOW, I never memorized any routines or lines... just
kinda
> absorbed it all and trusted my self-conscious with the rest..
>
> The problems I had were mainly dealing with congruence. I was a different
> person than I used to be and people that knew me saw this as incongruence.
So
> although I was able to lay chicks much easier, and become the social
magnet l
> wanted to be, how could I actually be this 'new' person?
>
> To illustrate: When I would go to a big party with a lot of people I
didn't
> know, I could be the person I wanted to be. It was incredibly easy to use
> everything I had learned and produced startling results. Really amazing.
>
> The problem, was when I would do the things I had done before 'pua'. When
I
> would go hang out with my bros, I found myself becoming increasingly bored
and
> dissatisfied with their attitudes and lifestyles. Although these are the
> 'coolest' guys out of my highschool class, I was just so beyond them in
terms
> of understanding and skill, that I had to tone it down a lot around them
in
> order to appear congruent to them. I couldn't hang out and have fun if
there
> weren't any women. I was so fuckin bored.
>
> So I was in effect, presenting myself differently to different people.
This
> just did not work well for me.
>
> Also hanging out with my conservative family, going out with my gf, etc...
I
> was having problems knowing how to act.. how to "be".
>
> Then the lounge(taken offline) and asf and all things related were cut
off(I
> was sent to jail for 3 months). It was a good/major change for me and a
huge
> growing experience. I was forced into congruence because I was with the
same
> people 24/7... no privacy... no 'higher' learning... no influences like
> tv/etc..
>
> During this time I began to lose consciousness and awareness that had
been
> built to high levels. I began to just "be". I had no choice.
>
> Now I have a much greater handle on who I am, as well as who I can,
(want/am
> to) be. Now I am "just myself" and it's AWESOME!
>
> I've lost interest in many of my old friends and lifestyles. I now only
have a
> few close guy friends who are mostly all older than me and into(generally,
I
> have no friends who know what pua means) the lifestyle I'm interested in.
> People I can be myself around...
>
> Of course, I still have all my 'home-girls' and 'honey bunnies' and try to
chat
> them all up regularly.
>
> A turning point for me was at a Black eyed peas concert when one of my
primary
> gf's told me to just "Be myself"... for some reason, it shifted my reality
and
> suddenly made incredible sense. It felt "right". How do you be yourself? I
> don't know. This is just some feedback from me to broaden the picture.
> -------------------------------------------------------------end repost
>
>
> Ok, so i wrote that a couple months ago.. Basically, I am posting this
here
> because I know there are other puas out there with either answers,
comments,
> insight, experience, and solutions to these topics. I'm talking about
losing
> interest in old guy friends and incongruence issues in different
situations
> (esp. when around old friends and family).
>
> Here is a relevant and recent post by TD that applies to this.
> http://www.fastseduction.com/masf/23/169855/
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Learning more about the top guys and their lifestyles and all around who
they
> are, has brought some issues forward for me.
>
> 1. What is the ULTIMATE goal of what we do here?
>
> By this I mean, after we learn all the knowledge it takes to be a top pua,
> whats next?
>
> Knowledge:
> 1. The NLP (I read so much NLP in the past its scary.. Also you **have**
to
> read 'Science and Sanity' written by the TRUE founder of NLP... Alfred
> Korzybski - Founder- 'Institue of General Semantics' I have the 5th
edition..
> amazon.com).
>
> 2. The so many varied and brilliant methods of seduction including: the
> archives(read every single PUA archive on this site if you really want to
> become a top pua.. http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/ If you can't
read
> them all at least read TylerDurden, Toecutter, MrSex4uNYC, Zarathustra,
and of
> course Mysterys ->HUGE one I would read his last). and everything you can
find
> on seduction on P2P networks and/or stores.
>
> 3. Audio and Video materials.
>
> 4. Psychology.
>
> 5. Philosophy.
>
> 6. Extra skillsets like magic, tricks, fighting, business, etc..
>
> 7. All forms of self-improvement.
>
> 8. As much info on sex and sex technique that you can find.
>
> So after all that and you are as successful with women as you desire...
what's
> next? Whats the ultimate goal/lifestyle/reality of what we do?
>
> For me, as I achieve more and more of my women-related goals, I focus more
and
> more on money-making goals. My ultimate goal (currently) is to end up
with a
> woman I love, with children I love, with more money than I can spend,
retired
> at 35 and travelling worldwide most of the year, but doing research and
> work/charity on my own schedule until I don't want to or cant'.
>
> Q: What are some of your ultimate goals?
>
> How are all you younger bros (still in HS) dealing with knowing advanced
shit?
> Does this super advanced knowledge have any negative or positive effects?
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> There is something going on in this scene that I haven't heard about
> anywhere... younger and younger guys are getting access to this knowledge.
>
> NOTE:Younger and younger guys are becoming much more proficient at
computers
> than many of you old timers.
>
> A ton of this stuff is written by older guys in a totally different
environment
> and context. Many of them were afc throughout HS and didn't transition to
pua
> until later or much later. This is a different transition with differnt
results
> than when a younger bro (MS or HS) becomes PUA. Also different is the
> transition from Natural -> Pua (like me) or AFC -> Pua. I want to
understand
> these transitions more to learn what the advantages one type may hold over
the
> other..
>
> NOTE: Toecutter is a good example of |natural -> Pua|. TylerDurden is a
good
> example of |AFC -> Pua|.
>
> So since many of these top guys didn't become Puas until after HS, what
effects
> are occuring with those still in the earlier stages of life? Please share
your
> experiences.
>
> IMO, and I do feel strongly about this, I do not believe the current setup
is
> the best way for younger upcoming puas to become puas. I think that for
them,
> making the transition from |AFC -> PUA| is not the way to go. I would
rather
> see these bros still in MS and HS only shown basic skills. Things like
how I
> personally was able to be popular in HS(I was pretty average looking and
so
> were most of my 4 best friends in HS). Stuff like proper behaviour, gossip
> theory, sport and activities theory, classroom behaviour, lunchroom
behaviour,
> party behaviour, etc..
>
> These guys just don't need this advanced info on 'hoop theory' and 'neg
theory'
> and 'advanced state-control theory'. The best example of what these guys
don't
> need is almost all theory available... it is just so advanced that it
places
> bros in a type of purgatory as they wait to get older and begin to
experience
> new freedoms and environments. They have the knowledge, but they aren't
in an
> environment where those skills can be put to much beneficial use.
>
> Better is to give them the basic knowledge and skills that they need to be
> popular(natural) in HS, and a framework and successful way of
thinking(frames,
> mini-state-control)so that they can rapidly learn and incorporate new
material
> and elements to fit into the framework easily and in congruence with
> themselves. Basically I'm suggesting we don't build their awareness and
higher
> consciousness of things they won't need to know about until years later.
After
> all, this is a "lifestyle".
>
>
> *********skip if you want
>
> Any knowledge out there starts with building blocks, or a framework of
some
> kind, to gradually build more and more. Advanced knowledge, is normally
much
> much harder to find/learn/skip ahead... think about computer security.
That is
> an advanced area of knowledge that requires many years of intense reading,
> studying, and practice before you can even begin to understand the higher
> levels. The reason for the scarcity of this higher knowledge is because
the
> more advanced the knowledge, the higher its commercial value rises, and
the
> less people freely share and thus know about. Also, you can't understand
or
> learn about higher level areas until you have *experience* *executing* and
> *mastering* each new thing. And we can say to newbies "practice!" till
were
> blue, but with the current setup... most won't. <-- "period"
>
> We all know what the situation is today in the seduction world. Anyone,
> anywhere, with minimal motivation, can find the most advanced info that
has
> taken our kind a very long time to acquire. They can skip to the most
advanced
> topics ever posted and with basic understanding of seduction(most have
this
> before finding this site), are able to read and believe they know and
> understand the topics. They then flood the board with comments, tips and
> tricks that are either totally wrong or are 100% for sure located in past
> archives. I had this problem and I didn't even know it until I read
mysterys
> archive.
>
> Is there a solution for this undervalued seduction info and to the current
> non-linear learnign taking place? Well, will this ever be taught in a
school?
> If it were, it would quickly end up being common knowledge and again good
looks
> would have the upperhand. I feel that for the knowledge to be organized
into
> one major framework with many different elements like any other advanced
> knowledge, it would take a huge collaborative effort with big bucks, made
up of
> the most knowledgeable puas... that to even get it mostly right.
>
> I'm not saying commercialize(I wish the invention of money could be done
away
> with or updated for modern times), hoard, and privatize the knowledge, I'm
> saying there hasn't been enough value associated with this info(yet) to
create
> a linear path of knowledge attainment. It's this vast ocean of info with
no
> order. As top puas grow older and wiser, I envision the full extent of
the
> many undiscovered benefits of this knowledge will quickly and rapidly
change
> this situation and make the info some of the most valuable info around.
>
> For that to happen, this knowledge must attain much higher value than it
> currently has. The latest positive(once thought to be negative)
development is
> the creation of several companies that commercialize this knowledge. This
is
> good and essential to creating the value this info deserves and truly has.
It
> also helps to make fastseduction.com obscure in search engines etc.. which
we
> all appreciate. After someone buys a commercial product or service, if
they
> become a good pua or have potential, of course they will eventually find
out
> about formhandles groundbreaking and wonderful site of sites.
>
> If you love a hobby and suddenly your hobby turns into a huge commercial
> industry worth tons of money, what do you do? You do your hobby as a job.
> These seduction companies do just that... realsocialdynamics (IMO not
> affilited) is leading the way towards giving this info its deserved
value...
> only I feel it is not nearly enough.. there still isn't enough value!
damnit!
>
> The free sharing of more and more advanced knowledge by the top guys in
this
> *public* forum is wonderful and we all love and want to keep it that
way... but
> this setup is a multi-flawed system in terms of progress, that must be
changed.
> Many of the top puas have been here since the early days and so they have
been
> given a framework because they have started at the beginning and when
> new/better info comes out, they can change easy.. that is why **the
archives
> are so fundamentally important to read.**
>
> Formhandle is getting more and more traffic to this site, and that is IMO
very
> bad. I say this because all the phrases, and specific details being
shared by
> top guys are being copied without the other necessary skills to be
effective.
> This makes the most advanced techniques and methods **stand out** to women
and
> they then become common. We want to be the best PUAs, not reverse the
> situation and make what we do common so the amogs are forced to evolve.
>
> But to be brutally honest, maybe I think this knowledge should be harder
to get
> because I have always been somewhat successful with women and so I don't
have
> the attitude of "This knowledge should be given to every AFC in the
world.. i
> feel so bad for them" I am worried that if even 100 people knew this
stuff in
> my college town it would create a "player copier extraordinare" category
that
> will be a result of men approaching many hot women constantly. We don't
even
> know how many people are out there who are under 21 who when they turn 21
will
> explode onto the club and social scene like fuckin 9/11. All I'm saying
is
> look at elite groups now and throughout history and you see some
commonalities
> in why they succeed/fail/continue/improve/(basically remain 'elite')... Do
the
> illuminati share knowledge to the public? How many senators and
congressmen
> are there? (less than puas) How many professional athletes? Actors? I
feel
> that if this knowledge is continued to be shared freely, easily, and at
top
> advanced levels, eventually puas will become an obvious group that
everyone
> else will then notice and try to copy.. Or worse yet, a big corp coming in
and
> commercializing everything and killing the atmosphere you all have worked
so
> hard to creat.
>
>
>
> Basically I am arguing in favor of applying one of the fundamental laws of
our
> kind to this situation... One word... ***Scarcity*** I feel like the
community
> is being unintentionally and unknowingly AFC about sharing the
knowledge....
> it's too easy.. we need to raise the value.
>
> I love the site, and love free info, and think if more people were in the
world
> like formhandle it would be 10x better... but something needs to be done
to
> divide all of it into separate levels of skill and understanding that only
> dedicated and worthy people can progress and view/participate in.
Otherwise
> it's value will never increase.. only decrease in value as more people
know and
> use the knowledge thus making the techniques more common, less unique, and
> studied. For starters, I would put the mASF forum link somewhere more
stealthy
> than on the front page and make the forum non-searchable by google.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The major problem on this site (for me) IMO, and the reason that I barely
visit
> the site anymore, is that this site is absolutely, positively, full of
posters
> "-" the 's'. These people believe they understand and know topics,
without
> ever actually practicing and mastering each basic. This is fine if you
are a
> natural and have real experience and mature input like mystery or
toecutter,
> but that is just such a rare case.
>
> Some EXCELLENT examples of the "right way":
>
> 1. Mystery and toecutter exploded onto the scene fairly quickly after
> discovering it because both were experienced and naturals.. They had
valuable
> input right away and now are considered 2 of the absolute best.
>
> 2. TylerDurden began at the beginning and read and read and developed a
solid
> understanding of the basics, then he actually practiced IRL and started
field
> testing what he had read. After about a year (not sure, its all in his
> archive) he posted for the first time(if only everyone else did this!) and
> introduced himself. A YEAR! Now today where is TylerDurden? He is
widely
> considered to be among the top puas the world has ever seen.
>
> The solution to this major issue (major for me at least) is a relatively
simple
> and cost efficient new technology that is completely free. The answer? A
> phpbb board that does not allow any user to post until he has either or in
> combination:
>
> 1. Been logged in for longer than 300 hours
>
> 2. Participated in at least 50 posts
>
> 3. Answer a group of random questions that were created by top puas and
come
> from the archives or other sources where people can *LEARN FIRST*
>
> 4. Users can have their 50 responses in posts "rated" by pre-determined
pua
> board moderators and these users cannot post until they achieve a certain
rank.
>
> And their are a number of other phpbb solutions. This is the future..
news
> readers are so old its ridiculous that such a valuable site like this is
> limited by outdated technology.
>
>
>
> ******end skipping (I wonder if anyone did.. ;)
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> For those of us who were naturals and popular in HS a lot of things happen
when
> your identity changes as a result of this acquired knowledge and skill.
>
> If you were a natural before finding any of this, you already had a
successful
> way of living and being who you are. When you add all these awesome
advanced
> skills to your persona, things change.. You lose interest in 'non-pua,
> close-minded, negative, etc.' guys because you feel/see/realize their
terrible
> mindsets, frames, behavior patterns, interests, and all the stuff they do
> wrong. And worse, people don't *want* to know... The problem, is that
for
> these 'non-pua' guys, who are born-naturals, they simply do not want to
expand
> their awareness or consciousness on what and why seduction works. It
makes
> them uncomfortable to know that anyone could be as popular and cool as
them and
> even surpass them. It makes them non-unique, not special, and threatens
> everything they believe (at least when they are still immature.. varies
30and
> lower). So they refuse to think about it.
>
> Me and my 4 best friends in HS were the most popular guys since 8th
fucking
> grade. This is in a town of social elite and very rich people(in top 10
of
> richest cities in America) , combined with many middle class. My high
school
> had 7000 people in it, and my group grew up closely around a group of 8
older(2
> yrs) guys that were also the shit. We joined them in 9th grade and
improved
> much more.
>
> The strange/sad thing is, we never discussed social dynamics or gave each
other
> seduction tips, or tried to brainstorm on 'game' (at least not very much).
It
> was a dog-eat-dog world where we all just grew up and naturally acquired
the
> skills that made us the most popular. IOW, we got to be the most
popular(thus
> best friends), because we each had social skills that put us above the
rest.
>
> The main way of learning was by observing and copying. We mastered the
power,
> gossip, clothing, style, social networking, reputation, attitudes, etc..
that
> it took to be the best. Out of our class of 2000, about 300 were
considered
> 'popular'(people who youd see at parties, wore the right clothes, or were
in
> sports, funny, troublemaker, class-clowns etc.) and of those, there were
60
> more popular, and of those there were 20 -(of those-> 10 --> 5(me and my
> friends)... Every possible moment we were spitting and practicing game...
> getting girls was the ultimate never-ending competition and awarded us the
> highest respect and benefits.. even if some of us didn't have steady gf's
we
> still had tons of friends that were girls, and got laid often, we just
really
> knew how to be better than the other guys.
>
> ****What this whole asf experience has taught me is how to be better than
the
> girls.****
>
> Everyone in the 5 was always competing against each other. This provided
a
> means of equalizing everyone in the group because the best parts of each
person
> would slowly become part of everyone else since we alwasy hung out. The
things
> I learned here(asf,nlp,etc) were not things they could recognize,
understand,
> or learn by observing. I would spit my improved game and notice my
friends
> staring at me trying to figure out what the fuck I was doing that was
causing
> all the girls to like me, touch me, and fuck me... This 'awe' and
jealousy of
> something they didn't understand, combined with my increasing ability to
> manipulate everything around me and my lack of interest in them because I
had
> total power and much more interesting shit to do ang think about... well,
it
> was a wakeup call to me that I couldn't just 'hang with the guys' like
pre-asf,
> because when there weren't girsl around I had to really tone down my
persona
> and try to appear 'pre-asf' again. I noticed SO many things they could
improve
> but I definately could not tell them directly, not even privately. This,
> "toning down" of myself was eventually picked up on and then perceived as
me
> patronizing them. Me being perceived as patronizing them changed into
them
> seeing how much better I was able to do things and only added more awe and
> jealousy. This 'larger than life' person they just couldn't live up to or
> compete against, and I was inadvertantly showing them things and parts of
their
> own lives that were lacking or non-exhistant. Not being able to compete
and
> integrate my advanced game, the 5 became unbalanced as they could not
equalize
> things as in the past...
>
> NOTE:How would people feel on elimidate with mystery as a contestant?
>
> Being proud, they didn't want me to teach them, yet they couldn't learn
from
> observation, so the balance changed dramatically from (top 5) to 4 -->
(top 1).
>
> Around this time of unrest in the 5, I was hanging out with more and more
girls
> on a daily basis. Because of the inequality and unfortunately unspeakable
> tension caused by the unbalancing of the goup, I was with my friends less
and
> less, and was with girls more and more.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Theres a theory that 'ignorance is bliss' or that 'the more you know the
> unhappier you are'. I feel that theory is shit because it is misleading
and up
> for different interpretation. What would snoop say? "The more you know
the
> more you can mac.. The ultimate mac... is GOD"
>
> So the more you know really means the more you can manipulate and change
things
> to your advantage that others can't (consciously at least). The problem
for
> me, is how to relate and be equal with guys who *don't* know this shit. I
know
> many of the top puas MUST have this answer, as they are around afc's all
the
> time (business, school, etc). **Please share**
>
>
> READ DISCLAIMER AGAIN BEFORE YOU POST ;)
>
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