mASF post by "billibob"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, December 12, 2002Hi guys
I can remember when I first ran into NLP, then SS, then ASF, then DYD,
MM, blah blah - you get the picture. I got really excited and I thought:
HELL YEAH!!
And of course, I had to tell my friends about it.
It was funny. They didn't look at it the same way as me. Some of them
thought it was lame. Some disagreed with it fundamentally - too heavily
invested in their AFC model of the world I guess.
I'd be out with my friends and they'd say - "go NLP that girl!" and shit
like that. It really wasn't useful.
I'd set this "getting chicks" frame. And I sounded more like a Ross
Jeffries advertisement than a genuine person. It was hard to go to these
same friends genuinely and have honest, sincere conversations about how
I was going with women.
It really bugs me. For example, it has set a rift between me and my best
friend like you wouldn't believe. Just because I didn't introduce it
properly, he discounts it and we just can't talk frankly about chicks.
None of my friends "signed on" to the idea. I've got one wing who's keen
on "skanking" (as he calls it), but he doesn't really get into a lot of
the ASF philosophy. I think he looks at it as mental masturbation. It's
cool having someone to talk with and go out with, but because he's (IMO
marginally) more successful than me I feel like it's holding me back.
"SHOW THEM RESULTS!!" is probably the best way to get my friends
on-side.
But that is the point: it can take time. And I have no doubt that those
results WOULD have been faster if I'd framed this seduction "project"
with my friends in a more opportune way. So that I could talk about it
with them, so that they could encourage me. So that I have real-life
emotional SUPPORT to go hard. So I don't have to settle for the "crumbs"
I get from this ONE wing.
This AFC > PUA thing has to be framed properly.
It's pretty easy to delineate between two groups of my friends. The
first group are the pre-ASF friends. They are the ones who got the
RJ-ish onslaught of all the stuff I was finding out. Until I start
getting good results, they are essentially write-offs in this
department. Which is sad, because this is such an important part of my
life.
The second group are those I have PRE-FRAMED this project of moving from
AFC (GPUA) to PUA. I'm smart enough now to realize that, perhaps until
you are a PUA, it's generally not a good idea to talk about ASF.
It's almost like I've stacked a bunch of routines onto one another to
demonstrate to my friends what I am doing.
I don't have time to go into them (I will if you ask nicely) but roughly
my pre-frame includes "routines" like:
* Plato's talk of soulmates and our cosmic mission
* How with people it's a numbers game
* How finding the one right person for you is a process of
disqualification rather than qualification
* A personal anecdote about how I saw my "dream girl" one night but
fucked it up (=sincerity isn't enough)
* How I want to be attractive to the woman I marry
* How I'm CONVINCED that being attractive to women is something that can
be learnt.
Blah blah blah.
Maybe it was a case of having to convince MYSELF that what I'm doing is
a worthy thing to do. Someone with a catholic background isn't going to
motivate themselves by simply saying "I'M GONNA GET LOADS OF SEX." ;)
But it's good to GET SUPPORT FROM YOUR FRIENDS when you're starting out
and you're going through the process of de-shying.
It'd be cool if I helped just a couple of people by getting them to be
careful about how they bring this up to their friends. Think of it as
practice for setting frames with chicks :)
BILLIBOB
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