mASF post by "martinos"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, May 5, 2005Hello to everyone.
I have recently discovered ASF and the world around it but I do have a little
psychological background. Much of the material here are very descriptive but I
found a shortage in some other subjects, mainly AMOG tactics.
As a collage student, I have encountered AMOG wars and group control techniques
that are much more strong and obtrusive (if that is the word I'm looking for)
from what I have discovered so far in here. Reading this group helped clarify
some of them, understand them and counter them but I feel a lacking in a more
structural material and knowledge which is necessary in constructing a coping
model.
Maybe there are posts I'm missing or an article I'm not aware of but I'm
looking for a descriptive information on tactics that are been used and a
knowledge to understand what goes behind it.
Finally I'll give here some of the tactics I've encountered to this date.
1. In a group, making a joke and then looking direct at the subject with smile
intentionally in order to convey subconsciously provocation to him and the
surrounding.
2. Making a joke-comment after the subject talked.
3. Talking up to the subject consciously and subconsciously. For example, if he
asked a question in class, answer him instead of the teacher and then add a low
sigh of discontent (Making it seems he asked a stupid question and you putting
him in his place) or chuckling sound. I’ve encountered a lot of use of
nonverbal language like sigh, chuckling and hand and body posture and movement
in order to convey disrespect and putting in place behavior, counting on the
fact that you can’t react to such behavior (only if you know how to) because
there was no direct confrontation, and if you do react directly (without
knowing how to) then you lose face.
4. Same as the above (number 3) but mumbling. Talking to yourself but in order
that the surrounding will here you. That way you gain the advantage of not
direct confrontation. An example of this but not an AMOG one is trashing the
teacher or making a little jokes to yourself about the material learned in the
class, making small comments, surrounding your immediate environment with a
bubble in which you are in control of the flow. Mumbling can be used in direct
confrontation like making a girl laugh and than mumbling the subject name so he
could hear or more confrontational, tell him to shut up under your breath in a
group situation which bring me to the next point.
5. PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) inducing techniques. I would love to
meet the guy of took those from non civilian usage (mainly interrogation
techniques) and introduce them to civilian life. Those methods are used to
induce confusion and trauma (which occurs when you are put in a situation –
mainly stressful – where you don’t now how to react) in order to take control
of the current group interaction or girl conversation from the subject. To non
ASF people and who are not familiar of life with direct confrontation and
fighting, when encounter those techniques, they are overwhelmed and in most
cases show regular PTSD response that range from (A) closing in them selves and
guilt feeling while searching reasons in their own behavior for the attack to
(B) under the same confusion, submitting to the attacker and trying to find way
to please him (stay away, not repeating behavior that they think was the
subject of the attack) in order to protect them self from another attack (under
the impression they did something wrong).
The last behavior (B – submission), is the golden prize for the attacker,
because it’s put him in a position were the subject is obligated to him which
make him the alpha to the subject and opens more possibilities in controlling
the subject.
Those kinds of tactics, aiming for this prize target are used for example in
building a group and making items in the group correspond to you. (In an
extreme example, making the subject addicted to drugs.)
Examples of such techniques are:
(A) From a post I saw here: When meeting at a party and doing the introduction,
while handshaking, putting the middle finger and pushing it to the subject
palm.
(B) Saying “good morning” for an example in a shout to the subject or “hello”.
This induce confusion since the nonverbal behavior suggest confrontation but
the verbal behavior not. If the subject don't know the attacker than more
confusion is created. If the subject answer back like “Do I know you?”,
“What?”, “I don’t understand..” , He get in response “What, it’s not allowed to
say good morning/hello to people?” which put the subject the shock described
above or leave him with no response (unless he knows what’s going on and how to
response).
(C) Looking at the subject for a long time directly. Same as (B), create
discomfort and confusion in the subject while he does not understand why you
are looking at him.
(D) Taking a stand near the subject in a manner which is uncomfortable to him
by his underline social code for the right space between people – a private
space. That could be standing from a side, getting to near, and standing behind
him, taking his sense of control of his private surrounding. Yet again, there
is no known response to indirect attack for the average subject.
Variation of this technique and other relies on the unwritten social conduct
codes which given by the society. The definition of private space length,
Staring time rules, returning introduction efforts (hello, good morning,
handshake given) and others.
I am posting this lengthy post here in hope it will help others who encountered
those attacked and lack the sufficient knowledge to understand them in order to
tackle them.
I have not found until now any public guide and introduction to those kinds of
attacks and especially the PTSK ones which I only recognized from my experience
in other fields, not ASF. I hope others will post replies with their knowledge
on AMOG attacks and the experiences of tackling them or if you know of a good
post describing one, please post its link here. I am not a clear of mistakes,
so please feel free to offer your constructive opinion on any topic discussed
here.
Well, this turned out to be a long post but I do hope someone will find this
useful and helpful. I would like to mention that most of what described here
was experienced at first hand or from outside perspective view.
Martinos
"Some meaningful quote here."
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