mASF post by "Seraph"
posted on: mASF forum: Tactics / Techniques Discussion, November 11, 2004Holy shit man,
This sounds rough. Overall, it sounds like you're trying too hard not to
"supplicate" or otherwise fall into other people's frames. However, the way
you're doing it isn't congruent with a non-supplicative type of guy. In
general, all people should like you. The people that won't will be a minority.
On 11/11/04 4:39:00 AM, BigDog wrote:
>Perhaps this has been covered
>before on the board prior to
>my signing up, but her goes,
>anyway...
>
>I have learned that different
>Amogging tactics are called
>for when you are in your
>social circle or a friend's
>social circle, than when you
>are running club game.
>
In a social circle, your overall frame is the biggest "AMOG" of them all. If
you're relying on AMOG lines then you've already lost. In general, you should
use the least effort possible to AMOG. Ignoring people and comments does
wonders IF you have a frame to be challenged.
>A couple of examples:
>
>At a party, but I didn't know
>any of the people other than
>the people I came with. They
>introduced me to their friends
>who were throwing the party.
>It was a Halloween party, but
>I didn't wear a costume, nor
>did my natural friend. I wore
>a Quicksilver black button
>down short sleeved shirt, and
>a pair of black pants. As I
>walked into the yard where the
>keg was located, this AMOG or
>AFC, whatever, says, "what are
>you supposed to be, Johnny
>Cash?" I say, "yeah, how'd you
>guess?"
See you've already lost it here. If you were walking past and you said "Howd
you guess?", you should just continue walking. Instead you get into a sparring
match, which just makes you look bad. Seriously, think of all the coolest
dudes you know. Would they get into sparring match like this?
He comes back with,
>"you look old enough to be
>him, too." I came back with,
>"You know what they say about
>older guys?" He says, "what?"
>Me: "WE make more money, AND
>fuck better!"
Too aggressive. Not funny. The worst time I've been AMOG'd, the guy was super
funny. Fuck, even I wanted to be friends with him.
He turns AFC on
>the spot and say, "yeah, I've
>heard that before." lol!
>Wasn't too much later, before
>an HBblonde was busy chatting
>me up. Unfortunately, didn't
>get a chance to demonstrate my
>older guy skills first hand
>with her!
>
>Another Halloween party the
>next night:
>Context: Friends/acquaintances
>of my friend. I know a few of
>them.
>
>Showed up dressed stylish
>casual. No costume. People
>asked what I was supposed to
>be. Said, "I dunno." They're
>saying, make something up.
They are not necessarily trying to tool on you here. It's obviously what you
thought considering your word choice of "came back." They're just having
conversation. YOU send it down the road of weirdness.
I
>came back with a kind of smart
>ass statement: I'm a lawyer
>dressed casual for a night on
>the town." People seemed to be
>avoiding me like I had the
>plague. Maybe I came across as
>arrogant, but I didn't really
>give a fuck!
I'm glad you don't, but that attitude won't make people like you. C&F = cocky
AND funny. No one uses just C. Some people even think C&F is too much and opt
for C&P.
Shot a couple of
>games of pool. stood back and
>just looked on without pervy
>comments or drool on my lips
>when to HBs were pulling down
>their tops and comparing their
>nipples, out on the balcony,
>on a chilly night! lol! Other
>guys were crowding them, and
>taking photos with their cell
>phone cams.
You were obviously trying very hard not to be one of those guys. And you're
proud of it. Otherwise, you wouldn't have written it here.
BTW, this is perfect time to neg them...just when they think they're the shit
with all these dudes taking pics. Or at least do something fun like compare
YOUR nipples with them.
>
>Later, I wasn't feeling too
>good, upset stomach from lack
>of sleep the night before,
>hung over, overindulged, drank
>too much beer out of the keg
>too fast, etc.. People made
>rude comments, obviously
>directed about me.
This is not normal. People just don't make rude comments to RANDOM people.
You've come across as weird in the party.
BHS stuff,
>AMOG shit, because very few
>chicks at this party, mostly
>guys.I ignored the comments,
>and just stayed laid back, and
>relaxed, despite my
>discomfort.
What would Brad Pitt do in this situation?
I talked to a few
>people like nothing was up. No
>sulking or withdrawing. While
>I was sitting out on the
>balcony, waiting for my cab to
>arrive and catching some fresh
>air, the HB nasty girls came
>out on the balcony. One of
>them turns towards me, and
>starts pulling her French Maid
>costume skirt up, until it's
>at her waist, showing her
>panty and stocking clad body
>and legs.
This is obviously a shit test. And you didn't say anything! Try this one next
time, "Not bad but you're trying a little too hard. Next time, just say hi."
And don't fucking look...well look with your PERIPHERAL vision!
I sat there, looked
>her up, and down, and gave her
>a smile of acknowledgment, but
>didn't say anything. She's
>going, "look at that smile,"
>like they had to get a
>reaction out of me.
>
>Later, HB9 blonde in her
>short, short nurse's dress
>costume, walks out and up to
>the table I am sitting at on
>the balcony and says, "you're
>Bigdog, right?" I say slowly,
>a yeah. She says, you know
>your nickname is "the lawyer."
>I say, "yeah," kind of
>indifferently.
You could've blown her up here.
You: Yeah, that's my stripper stage name.
Her: Haha
You: You know...I'm an expensive one.
Her: Really?
You: Well, you might qualify for a discount, IF you're nice.
We start fluff
>talking for awhile, and my cab
>arrives. I left and went home.
>Next day I realize that I had
>this same girl open me before
>on the rooftop smoking area of
>a local club. She was asking
>me IOI questions about have I
>ever been married, children,
>etc. before. I didn't
>recognize her, even though I
>thought she was very
>attractive the first time we
>met. Funny how meeting lots of
>HBs will do that to you! I
>think I kind of recognized
>her, thought it might be her,
>but never said anything about
>meeting before, or saying
>something like, "is your name
>HBblonde?"
Try this simple opener, "Have we met?" or "Do I know you?" and give her a very
suspicious look.
>At this party, due to social
>circles I am in or have been
>invited into, I just ignored
>AMOG statements, instead of
>using standard AMOG tactics.
>None of the comments were
>blatantly disrespectful of me.
>They would mock something I
>said earlier, by repeating to
>someone else in a oblique
>manner, yet I "got it." This
>seemed to be the correct and
>stronger frame, based on later
>actions of HBs.
>
People should not be mocking you. It means you've done something that was
perceived as weird.
>Also, I believe it was
>pimp#1's
>recent post about using a
>smokescreen of deliberate
>indifference, to create
>attraction or interest with
>HBs. Seems like the way to go,
>because at both parties, I
>would not try to come on to
>any of the hotter chicks. I
>just focussed on having a good
>time, and joking with my bros.
>The HBs would end up
>approaching and opening me.
>Amazing shit! I have
>internalized alpha walk,
>movements and taking up space,
>so I'm sure that has something
>to do with it, also.
>
>BigDog
Look man. It sounds like you're learning, so props for that. I'll save you
months of field work by saying that you're trying a bit too hard to be "alpha."
You're a bit paranoid.
Being alpha is about controlling the frame and making that frame enjoyable for
others. AMOG lines are one of the tools used to control the frame, but if you
use them out of context, you come across as weird. Never say them seriously.
Never let an AMOG battle visibly affect your state. If people see this has
happened, then you've lost.
Also, controlling a frame by itself does not necessarily help you. You have to
have an inviting frame so people will accept a submissive role in order to
participate. This is where having interesting stories and being witty comes
in.
On changing supplicative habits, David Deangelo talks about the pendulum
swinging from "Nice Guy" to "Rude Guy" before finally settling somewhere in the
center. Sounds like your pendulum has to center. But if you keep at it, you
will find the happy medium. Best of luck!
S e r a p h
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