mASF post by "ox"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, July 7, 2005On 7/8/05 12:30:00 PM, lost_and_found wrote:
>
>>>Dimitry posts real fr. Wookhaven posted
>>>a few awesome LR. They are commercial
>>>guys. Are they posting because the want
>>>to get popular and sell, maybe, so what?
>>
>>i have to say this as bold as i can: if
>>you dont see the conflict of interest
>>there you are probably blind to this
>>shit. it is like you giving love advice
>>to a girl you want to fuck about another
>>guy. dont you think your advice will be
>>a "little" biased. come on man, get
>>real.
>
>
>You think that they
>missdirect? Listen I read
>their posts and I feel
>motivated, and I feel I'm
>learning, I can build a
>picture of the interaction and
>learn from it. Thats valuable
>for me. Dimitri's posts are as
>good as GoneSavage's posts,
>even though one is commercial
>and the other is not. Both of
>them teached me a lot! Thats
>what matters to me. Some
>'other-guy''s post I wouldn't
>like to mention I feel that
>missdirected me, and yes, he
>was commercial. He made unreal
>claims about his skills, that
>where in fact not real. I
>won't say who but you can join
>the dots.
>
>I understand that you are
>skeptic about commercial
>people, and its good, you
>don't wanna be scamed. But I
>feel that they still are
>awesome PUAs and you can still
>learn cool stuff from their
>LR.
>
>>
>>btw, i dont doubt these guys are good.
>>they probably are...that´s not the
>>point.
>>
>>
>>if the fr are not fake I rather have
>>>them post them. If their thread turn
>>>into flame wars without reason, they
>>>will stop posting
>>
>>so what. so did tyler, mystery and the
>>rest...why are you lovie dovie with
>>these guys...i dont understand it. do
>>you know them personally?
>
>Not those two in particular.
>And yes, I know tyler in
>person.
>
>
>>
>>
>>, and that will be a
>>>big loss.
>>
>>
>>
>>>One the other hand there are guys that
>>>might post things like "I roll into the
>>>set and the AMOGS are blown to pieces
>>>because of my BL and strong inner frame
>>>(I couldn't explain it here, you'll have
>>>to see me to learn it), and the girl
>>>totally dig me when I run my routine
>>>stack..." That is when they are selling
>>>and posting BS. There is a big
>>>difference.
>>
>>i agree. not helping anybody either,
>>also he is not confusing anybody either.
>>still that guy is not selling anything.
>>he is doing it out of utter stupidity
>>and it can be corrected by the board in
>>a nice manner. or whats worse nobody
>>will read him or offer help. no harm
>>done.
>
>I though that piece of
>description would ring a bell
>on those who have read this
>particular guys post, and yes,
>he was selling. Making you
>believe she is doing something
>magical that you don't really
>grasp, so you feel the urge to
>go and see it in person. To be
>utterly dissapointed.
>
>I would say, give them the
>benefit of the doubt, I have
>not seen in Woodhaven and
>Dimitri any sign of
>dis-honesty. It might seem
>like I'm on their payroll, but
>those two are at the moment my
>most admired commercial guys.
>It Toecutter gave workshops
>and posted, I would still read
>him, and so it goes for
>TokyoPUA and many others.
i like dimitri. as to woodhaven i havent had the pleasure of interacting with
him that much. i dont want to mention any names though because i dont want any
flame shit going on. i just want to say whatever is in my mind. dimitri pointed
out a couple of interesting things to me and i trully learned from him...i do
not question the guys like i said before. they have cool stuff but i cant help
to say they are ethically biased, if you dont mind the term. they would try to
put their stuff first and they will try to sell it to you, it is what they do
and it is what transpires out of their posts, sure the same will apply to td,
mystery, etc.. i dont mean to say whatever they do is wrong. i mean to say that
the board is not the place for it. dont try to make this as if i am saying
their stuff sucks. i am sure it works but so does td stuff and mystery stuff
and gunwitch, etc and they are not selling it day in and day out here. what i
mean to say is that the puas or method guys are going to post they should post
as the rest, no more no less. give us a lr/fr in full, with all the
interactions. that´s all. no pua can close all the girls in one sarge, he has
got to eject of some sets at some point. i never read a fr where method guys
eject or are blown out. how come? i have been with pua level guys and they do
get ejected on and blown out too, well not that often anyway but it happens to
the best of them, too.
For the record, one thing is to be dis-honest(your words, not mine) and a
different thing is to post only what interests you commercially and it sucks.
btw, i am slow or i dont know who was the guy that framed you in the board. i
think you are to be blamed and not him. you were the one to go to him without
checking his pua record first(reviews, etc).
take care,
ox
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