mASF post by "Billionaire"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, August 8, 2005On 8/13/05 3:07:00 PM, express wrote:
>Juggler talks about the
>importance of making
>statements. Why? Basically
>because they put the focus on
>YOU as the prize (someone with
>value), rather than hiding
>behind a safe curtain of
>questions.
>
>This sounds good in theory.
>
>In practice, though, I've
>found how tricky it is. In
>most settings (party, club,
>street, gym, etc.) no one
>wants to get into deep values
>and emotions.
They want to get into deep values and emotions if they feel comfortable with
you and trust you to lead them there.
>Juggler says
>that the focus is on being
>GENUINE rather than deep, but
>how do you make honest
>statements that reveal any
>VALUE in you in these
>settings?
Has nothing to do with the setting. You don't need a round table discussion to
have a meaningful conversation. It can happen anywhere if you're willing to go
there and expect, with total certainty, a solid response from the other person.
This doesn't mean stare them down and make them talk deep with you. It just
means you know they're the kind of person who likes talking about relationships
for example. And so you bring it up without any hesitation whatsoever.
>Surely exhibiting
>genuine value can only be done
>by making deep points.
Not true. Value has little to do with your ability to go deep. Chris Rock
once said cool is the courage to be yourself despite what everyone else expects
of you.
>But at
>a party, for example, there's
>really not much to declare or
>state. Juggler gives the
>example of saying "I like..."
>if you're stuck for
>statements, but this seems
>pretty limited to me.
Get more specific with "I like girls who..." This should make her qualify
immediately if done right.
>What
>other ways can effective
>statements be made?
Anything to make her chase/qualify is always fun..."It's too bad you're not my
type."
Also, turn any question you may want to ask into a cold read. "Do you go to
school around here?" becomes "You must be a scuba diving major." More about
tonality than anything else. Turn the pitch down at the end of the statement.
>It also seems really awkward
>to bring up conversational
>threads by making statements.
>I can't seem to get my head
>around this.
Practice stacking unrelated routines back to back with no transitions for a
night or two. I see a lot of guys who are so desperate for a context. "I need
a reason to approach, I can't expect a random woman on the street to have a
conversation with me, let alone feel attracted to me." They're missing the
point. Women enjoy a man who can sweep them off their feet, take charge, be a
man, etc. It's okay to just talk about what you want with NO EXCUSES.
>Have you guys written down
>your "values" in life?
Yes.
>To me,
>this seems very artificial --
>I'm sure most of us can't be
>boilt down to five core
>values. Even if you have, how
>can you make value-stacked
>statements that are not "deep"
>but are "genuine"? Do you have
>a stockpile or stories about
>your life to rely on?
>
>I'm still confused on this
>issue of making interesting
>statements in everyday
>situations, so I'd really
>appreciate your thoughts.
>
Most guys will use situations as a good excuse to ask a girl a question, so as
to get 5 seconds of her attention. "you got a light...you come here
often...where's your drink...what do you do...what's your name?" This boring
dribble immediately slots you into the "just another boring guy" category.
Better to say anything she doesn't expect...like "I hate you" with a sly grin.
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