mASF post by "jim dutton"
posted on: USENet: alt.seduction.fast newsgroup, June 6, 2002In article <3D1***0@sh***.net[ ? ]>,
Kthulah <kth***h@sh***.net[ ? ]> wrote:
>jim dutton wrote:
>>
>> In article <3D0***C@sh***.net[ ? ]>,
>> Kthulah <kth***h@sh***.net[ ? ]> wrote:
>> >John Fereira wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Kthulah <kth***h@sh***.net[ ? ]> wrote in
>> >> news:3D0***E@sh***.net[ ? ]:
>> >>
>> >> > John Fereira wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> GoddessBaybee <god***e@ya***.com[ ? ]> wrote in
>> >> >> news:aed***5@dr***.com[ ? ]:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > In article <[email protected]>, John
>> >> >> > says...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>GoddessBaybee <god***e@ya***.com[ ? ]> wrote in
>> >> >> >>news:ae8***b@dr***.com[ ? ]:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> In article <[email protected]>, jjd***d@en***.com[ ? ]
>> >> >> >>> says...
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> T. Goddessbabe aka Brittany Spears is a bartender that prick
>> >> >> >>>> teases married men for tips. It's how she makes her living. She
>> >> >> >>>> has to look for someone to look down on in order to feel shes not
>> >> >> >>>> the bottom of societys barrel. Those women from other country
>> >> >> >>>> sites are the equivalent of americas match.com only the women are
>> >> >> >>>> on average far more educated. Unlike Goddessbabe.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Babe when you shag my next beer shake your ass and I'll consider
>> >> >> >>>> flippin ya a qwuata.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> She's also getting sport humped by a canadian for gods sake.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> -Jeem, HTH
>> >> >> >>..
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> > <snip>
>> >> >> >>> He then claimed I am uneducated, but he doesn't know the first
>> >> >> >>> thing about my educational status.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>He probably knows about as much about your educational status as you
>> >> >> >>know about his wife.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > <boggle>
>> >> >> > hey john,
>> >> >> > i've said straight out that i dont know the specifics of
>> >> >> > ol' jeembo and the missus's relationship.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In article <a6q***s@dr***.com[ ? ]>,
>> >> >> > GoddessBaybee <god***e@ya***.com[ ? ]> wrote:
>> >> >> > "I don't know (and I don't care) if your wife is
>> >> >> > in fact a mail-order bride. If you are sensitive about people
>> >> >> > taunting you about the "mail-order-bride" issue, then maybe you
>> >> >> > shouldn't run around mouthing-off and taunting others regarding
>> >> >> > their relationships...."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't think that paragragh comes across as impartial as you're now
>> >> >> trying to come off. Let's change a few words and see if this looks to
>> >> >> you like something that was written by someone impartial and
>> >> >> non-judgemental.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > "I don't know (and I don't care) if you are
>> >> >> > in fact a lesbian. If you are sensitive about people taunting
>> >> >> > you about the "gay" issue, then maybe you shouldn't run
>> >> >> > around mouthing-off and taunting others regarding their
>> >> >> > relationships...."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>While I haven't actually met the lovely Mrs. Dutton myself I know
>> >> >> >>quite a few people whose opinions I trust that have. From all
>> >> >> >>reports she's very charming, quite gorgeous, quite educated, and
>> >> >> >>comes from a *very* wealthy family.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > <doubleboggle>
>> >> >> > ...even if Mrs. D. is in fact a "mail order bride"
>> >> >> > i dont think that would imply that Mrs. D. aint a charming, gorgeous
>> >> >> > and educated woman. I personally wouldn't suggest that she isn't.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ...even if you are a lesbian I think that I would imply that you might
>> >> >> not be attractive an intelligent.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You're essentially strongly implying that she is a mail order bride
>> >> >> (she isn't) without categorically stating that she is. A
>> >> >> semantantical difference, maybe, but from where I'm sitting the intent
>> >> >> seems to be the same.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>The other stereotype which you eluded to was the implication that if
>> >> >> >>someone Marries a woman from a poorer country, he is doing so out of
>> >> >> >>desparation because he is unable to attract a quality woman from
>> >> >> >>this country. As I have seen with my own eyes the kind of woman
>> >> >> >>he's managed to attract long before he met his wife, I know for a
>> >> >> >>fact that Jeem doesn't have that problem.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > hey john, I've read more than a couple of your articles, and you
>> >> >> > seem fairly level headed to me...so i want to ask you a couple o'
>> >> >> > questions (i dont really care if you answer 'em publicly or not) i
>> >> >> > guess i just want you to think about 'em.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ok, shoot.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > first, jim dutton wrote regarding the women on the
>> >> >> > "russian women catalog"* sites
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Those women from other country sites are the equivalent of
>> >> >> > americas match.com only the women are on average far more
>> >> >> > educated."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > from your perspective, do you think that's a true statement?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> From my perspective, I really don't have enough information to go on.
>> >> >> I've never looked at match.com or a russian women catalog so my
>> >> >> perspective on the educational status from either forum would by
>> >> >> entirely based on hearsay. Just as a general impression though, when
>> >> >> personal ads have been posted in newsgroups that I read from Russian
>> >> >> woman I have noticed a general tendency of claims which indicate a
>> >> >> high level of education whereas when I've seen personal ads posted by
>> >> >> American woman, typically educational status isn't even mentioned.
>> >> >> The only conclusion that I can draw from that is that perhaps Russian
>> >> >> women feel that their educational status is a more important criteria
>> >> >> for "selling themselves" as a potential mate than American women seem
>> >> >> to rate it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > specifically, do ya think russian women tend to be better educated
>> >> >> > than their american counterparts?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Again, I really don't have enough evidence to make such a
>> >> >> determination. Just out of curiosity, why is this important to you?
>> >> >> Frankly, the level of formal education isn't an important criteria to
>> >> >> me. I've been in long term relationships with women with little
>> >> >> formal education and am married to a woman that holds a PhD in
>> >> >> clinical psychology.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > even if you agree with that part, do you think that's the *ONLY*
>> >> >> > significant difference?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, I don't, but that perspective is likely based mostly on
>> >> >> stereotypes. That's primarily based on the criteria upon which the
>> >> >> users of those system use for selecting a mate. My general sense is
>> >> >> that the most important criteria for women posting their profiles on
>> >> >> the mail order bride site is that the person they are looking for is
>> >> >> living in the U.S.. However women seeking men on U.S. based sites
>> >> >> typically want someone in close proximity, but criteria such as
>> >> >> physical appearance, age, financial responsibility (which I don't
>> >> >> necessarily conclude as meaning "filthy rich"), basic philosophies
>> >> >> about family or religion, and general personality traits (must have a
>> >> >> good sense of humor), all seem to play a more important role. Again,
>> >> >> that's must my general sense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > * btw, i'm not trying to be derogatory by calling it a "russian
>> >> >> > women catalog"
>> >> >> > That is actually what the site we were discussing calls itself.
>> >> >> > "http://www.russian-women-catalog.com/"
>> >> >> > other sites mentioned in this thread are called
>> >> >> > "http://www.bridesbymail.com/" "http://www.mailorderbrides.com/"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Dutton initiated this episode of our lil flame war because I said
>> >> >> > (regarding the mail-order-bride sites) that those women were hoping
>> >> >> > to re-locate from a poorer nation to a wealthier nation via
>> >> >> > marriage.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't think that's a controversial statement.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't think it is either...when taken out of context. When put into
>> >> >> the context of round one of your lil flame war, and the implication
>> >> >> that his wife is a mail order bride, I'm not surprised that he
>> >> >> responded. What I *have* noticed is that after round one of your lil
>> >> >> flame war, you both went back to your corners for awhile but you've
>> >> >> both been poking at each other. I know that Jeem has never been
>> >> >> hesitant to partake in a bit of virtual fist-i-cuffs and from the
>> >> >> looks of it, you don't seem to be crying uncle too quickly either.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The next question, i want to ask you is...
>> >> >> > ..can you honestly say the comments i've made about jeem and his
>> >> >> > family are worse than the comments jeem's made about me and my
>> >> >> > family?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > how about the comments 'ol jeembo makes regularly regarding
>> >> >> > countless other posters and their families?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Jeem makes a lot of "yo momma" cracks.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like to nominate the above sentence for soc.singles-sycophant
>> >> > understatement of the year.
>> >>
>> >> ObDuh: Duh.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> That's hardly news. If he didn't get a reaction from them I doubt
>> >> >> that he would continue to do it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > That has not been my observation.
>> >>
>> >> I've been observing him for ten years or so, both online and off.
>> >> Apparently it's working. It got you to respond in this thread, didn't it?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> From the
>> >> >> perspective that I have actually met Jeem on several occasions as well
>> >> >> as at least part of his family, I can see any comments made about him
>> >> >> and his family in a different context. You would really have to
>> >> >> experience Jeem in real life, hear his voice, and see how he interacts
>> >> >> with other people to understand.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > What part of Jeem is it that we (as in the people he has chosen to
>> >> > continually shame himself over online) are we not seeing?
>> >>
>> >> The part which you don't see on your monitor.
>> >
>> >
>> >That doesn't answer the question.
>> >
>> >I would like you to tell me what it is about Jeem that is so wonderful,
>> >that he deserves Usenet exceptions.
>>
>> Becaause you've been stalking me for years and creating web pages
>> of stuff taken out of context when you shot off your rape accepting
>> bowlingball head?
>>
>> Guessing here.
>
>
>Stalking...Hmmm...
>
>I would respond to that with a bit of laughter, and clarification for
>the audience, who might not know our history, but first, I want to see
>how you're going to spin this one.
>
>This should be fun.
>
>
>> >What you appear to be arguing is that people should be easier on Jeem
>> >for his behavior than they should be on, let's say, Steve, for his.
>>
>> Jeem doesn't care. Steve says he doesn't care. And you miz
>> phoneyfuck are the last person in the world to play the voice of
>> disinterested impartial third party.
>>
>> Noob. I'll always own you. Get used to it.
>
>
>You don't even own yourself.
>
>Don't expect everybody in Usenet to make exceptions for you, just
>because, in the past, a few people liked you. The turnover is a little
>slow around here, but it happens. Not everybody who was here 5 years
>ago, or 2 years ago, is here now. New folks are participating, and they
>don't like you. If those who do say they like you, really gave a damn
>about you, they'd ask you to stop making a fool of yourself, and stop
>trying to defend your foolish behavior to people who know better.
>
>
>> -Jeem, and see a doctor about a head reduction
>
>
>Such stellar wit...
Seriously. You are the ugliest woman I have ever had the misfortune of viewing.
But luckily you're a headcase.
-Jeem, Life is weddy weddy good.
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