mASF post by "John Fereira"
posted on: USENet: alt.seduction.fast newsgroup, June 6, 2002Kthulah <kth***h@sh***.net[ ? ]> wrote in
news:3D0***E@sh***.net[ ? ]:
> John Fereira wrote:
>>
>> GoddessBaybee <god***e@ya***.com[ ? ]> wrote in
>> news:aed***5@dr***.com[ ? ]:
>>
>> > In article <[email protected]>, John
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >>GoddessBaybee <god***e@ya***.com[ ? ]> wrote in
>> >>news:ae8***b@dr***.com[ ? ]:
>> >>
>> >>> In article <[email protected]>, jjd***d@en***.com[ ? ]
>> >>> says...
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> T. Goddessbabe aka Brittany Spears is a bartender that prick
>> >>>> teases married men for tips. It's how she makes her living. She
>> >>>> has to look for someone to look down on in order to feel shes not
>> >>>> the bottom of societys barrel. Those women from other country
>> >>>> sites are the equivalent of americas match.com only the women are
>> >>>> on average far more educated. Unlike Goddessbabe.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Babe when you shag my next beer shake your ass and I'll consider
>> >>>> flippin ya a qwuata.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> She's also getting sport humped by a canadian for gods sake.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Jeem, HTH
>> >>..
>> >>>
>> > <snip>
>> >>> He then claimed I am uneducated, but he doesn't know the first
>> >>> thing about my educational status.
>> >>
>> >>He probably knows about as much about your educational status as you
>> >>know about his wife.
>> >
>> > <boggle>
>> > hey john,
>> > i've said straight out that i dont know the specifics of
>> > ol' jeembo and the missus's relationship.
>> >
>> > In article <a6q***s@dr***.com[ ? ]>,
>> > GoddessBaybee <god***e@ya***.com[ ? ]> wrote:
>> > "I don't know (and I don't care) if your wife is
>> > in fact a mail-order bride. If you are sensitive about people
>> > taunting you about the "mail-order-bride" issue, then maybe you
>> > shouldn't run around mouthing-off and taunting others regarding
>> > their relationships...."
>>
>> I don't think that paragragh comes across as impartial as you're now
>> trying to come off. Let's change a few words and see if this looks to
>> you like something that was written by someone impartial and
>> non-judgemental.
>>
>> > "I don't know (and I don't care) if you are
>> > in fact a lesbian. If you are sensitive about people taunting
>> > you about the "gay" issue, then maybe you shouldn't run
>> > around mouthing-off and taunting others regarding their
>> > relationships...."
>> >
>> >>While I haven't actually met the lovely Mrs. Dutton myself I know
>> >>quite a few people whose opinions I trust that have. From all
>> >>reports she's very charming, quite gorgeous, quite educated, and
>> >>comes from a *very* wealthy family.
>> >
>> > <doubleboggle>
>> > ...even if Mrs. D. is in fact a "mail order bride"
>> > i dont think that would imply that Mrs. D. aint a charming, gorgeous
>> > and educated woman. I personally wouldn't suggest that she isn't.
>>
>> ...even if you are a lesbian I think that I would imply that you might
>> not be attractive an intelligent.
>>
>> You're essentially strongly implying that she is a mail order bride
>> (she isn't) without categorically stating that she is. A
>> semantantical difference, maybe, but from where I'm sitting the intent
>> seems to be the same.
>>
>> >
>> >>The other stereotype which you eluded to was the implication that if
>> >>someone Marries a woman from a poorer country, he is doing so out of
>> >>desparation because he is unable to attract a quality woman from
>> >>this country. As I have seen with my own eyes the kind of woman
>> >>he's managed to attract long before he met his wife, I know for a
>> >>fact that Jeem doesn't have that problem.
>> >
>> > hey john, I've read more than a couple of your articles, and you
>> > seem fairly level headed to me...so i want to ask you a couple o'
>> > questions (i dont really care if you answer 'em publicly or not) i
>> > guess i just want you to think about 'em.
>>
>> Ok, shoot.
>>
>> >
>> > first, jim dutton wrote regarding the women on the
>> > "russian women catalog"* sites
>> >
>> > "Those women from other country sites are the equivalent of
>> > americas match.com only the women are on average far more
>> > educated."
>> >
>> > from your perspective, do you think that's a true statement?
>>
>> From my perspective, I really don't have enough information to go on.
>> I've never looked at match.com or a russian women catalog so my
>> perspective on the educational status from either forum would by
>> entirely based on hearsay. Just as a general impression though, when
>> personal ads have been posted in newsgroups that I read from Russian
>> woman I have noticed a general tendency of claims which indicate a
>> high level of education whereas when I've seen personal ads posted by
>> American woman, typically educational status isn't even mentioned.
>> The only conclusion that I can draw from that is that perhaps Russian
>> women feel that their educational status is a more important criteria
>> for "selling themselves" as a potential mate than American women seem
>> to rate it.
>> >
>> > specifically, do ya think russian women tend to be better educated
>> > than their american counterparts?
>>
>> Again, I really don't have enough evidence to make such a
>> determination. Just out of curiosity, why is this important to you?
>> Frankly, the level of formal education isn't an important criteria to
>> me. I've been in long term relationships with women with little
>> formal education and am married to a woman that holds a PhD in
>> clinical psychology.
>>
>> > even if you agree with that part, do you think that's the *ONLY*
>> > significant difference?
>>
>> No, I don't, but that perspective is likely based mostly on
>> stereotypes. That's primarily based on the criteria upon which the
>> users of those system use for selecting a mate. My general sense is
>> that the most important criteria for women posting their profiles on
>> the mail order bride site is that the person they are looking for is
>> living in the U.S.. However women seeking men on U.S. based sites
>> typically want someone in close proximity, but criteria such as
>> physical appearance, age, financial responsibility (which I don't
>> necessarily conclude as meaning "filthy rich"), basic philosophies
>> about family or religion, and general personality traits (must have a
>> good sense of humor), all seem to play a more important role. Again,
>> that's must my general sense.
>>
>> >
>> > * btw, i'm not trying to be derogatory by calling it a "russian
>> > women catalog"
>> > That is actually what the site we were discussing calls itself.
>> > "http://www.russian-women-catalog.com/"
>> > other sites mentioned in this thread are called
>> > "http://www.bridesbymail.com/" "http://www.mailorderbrides.com/"
>> >
>> > Dutton initiated this episode of our lil flame war because I said
>> > (regarding the mail-order-bride sites) that those women were hoping
>> > to re-locate from a poorer nation to a wealthier nation via
>> > marriage.
>> >
>> > I don't think that's a controversial statement.
>>
>> I don't think it is either...when taken out of context. When put into
>> the context of round one of your lil flame war, and the implication
>> that his wife is a mail order bride, I'm not surprised that he
>> responded. What I *have* noticed is that after round one of your lil
>> flame war, you both went back to your corners for awhile but you've
>> both been poking at each other. I know that Jeem has never been
>> hesitant to partake in a bit of virtual fist-i-cuffs and from the
>> looks of it, you don't seem to be crying uncle too quickly either.
>>
>> >
>> > The next question, i want to ask you is...
>> > ..can you honestly say the comments i've made about jeem and his
>> > family are worse than the comments jeem's made about me and my
>> > family?
>> >
>> > how about the comments 'ol jeembo makes regularly regarding
>> > countless other posters and their families?
>> >
>> Jeem makes a lot of "yo momma" cracks.
>
>
> I would like to nominate the above sentence for soc.singles-sycophant
> understatement of the year.
ObDuh: Duh.
>
>
>> That's hardly news. If he didn't get a reaction from them I doubt
>> that he would continue to do it.
>
>
> That has not been my observation.
I've been observing him for ten years or so, both online and off.
Apparently it's working. It got you to respond in this thread, didn't it?
>
>
>> From the
>> perspective that I have actually met Jeem on several occasions as well
>> as at least part of his family, I can see any comments made about him
>> and his family in a different context. You would really have to
>> experience Jeem in real life, hear his voice, and see how he interacts
>> with other people to understand.
>
>
> What part of Jeem is it that we (as in the people he has chosen to
> continually shame himself over online) are we not seeing?
The part which you don't see on your monitor.
> Are you calling him a liar, who is purposefully deceiving people about
> his thoughts of them?
I seriously hope that you are not under the delusion that everything you
read on Usenet is written with honest intent.
--
John Fereira
Ithaca, NY
jaf***0@co***.edu[ ? ]
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