mASF post by "John Fereira"
posted on: USENet: alt.seduction.fast newsgroup, June 6, 2002GoddessBaybee <god***e@ya***.com[ ? ]> wrote in
news:aed***5@dr***.com[ ? ]:
> In article <[email protected]>, John says...
>>
>>GoddessBaybee <god***e@ya***.com[ ? ]> wrote in
>>news:ae8***b@dr***.com[ ? ]:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>, jjd***d@en***.com[ ? ] says...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> T. Goddessbabe aka Brittany Spears is a bartender that prick teases
>>>> married men for tips. It's how she makes her living. She has to look
>>>> for someone to look down on in order to feel shes not the bottom of
>>>> societys barrel. Those women from other country sites are the
>>>> equivalent of americas match.com only the women are on average far
>>>> more educated. Unlike Goddessbabe.
>>>>
>>>> Babe when you shag my next beer shake your ass and I'll consider
>>>> flippin ya a qwuata.
>>>>
>>>> She's also getting sport humped by a canadian for gods sake.
>>>>
>>>> -Jeem, HTH
>>..
>>>
> <snip>
>>> He then claimed I am uneducated, but he doesn't know the first thing
>>> about my educational status.
>>
>>He probably knows about as much about your educational status as you
>>know about his wife.
>
> <boggle>
> hey john,
> i've said straight out that i dont know the specifics of
> ol' jeembo and the missus's relationship.
>
> In article <a6q***s@dr***.com[ ? ]>,
> GoddessBaybee <god***e@ya***.com[ ? ]> wrote:
> "I don't know (and I don't care) if your wife is
> in fact a mail-order bride. If you are sensitive about people taunting
> you about the "mail-order-bride" issue, then maybe you shouldn't run
> around mouthing-off and taunting others regarding their
> relationships...."
I don't think that paragragh comes across as impartial as you're now trying
to come off. Let's change a few words and see if this looks to you like
something that was written by someone impartial and non-judgemental.
> "I don't know (and I don't care) if you are
> in fact a lesbian. If you are sensitive about people taunting
> you about the "gay" issue, then maybe you shouldn't run
> around mouthing-off and taunting others regarding their
> relationships...."
>
>>While I haven't actually met the lovely Mrs. Dutton myself I know quite
>>a few people whose opinions I trust that have. From all reports she's
>>very charming, quite gorgeous, quite educated, and comes from a *very*
>>wealthy family.
>
> <doubleboggle>
> ...even if Mrs. D. is in fact a "mail order bride"
> i dont think that would imply that Mrs. D. aint a charming, gorgeous
> and educated woman. I personally wouldn't suggest that she isn't.
...even if you are a lesbian I think that I would imply that you might not
be attractive an intelligent.
You're essentially strongly implying that she is a mail order bride (she
isn't) without categorically stating that she is. A semantantical
difference, maybe, but from where I'm sitting the intent seems to be the
same.
>
>>The other stereotype which you eluded to was the implication that if
>>someone Marries a woman from a poorer country, he is doing so out of
>>desparation because he is unable to attract a quality woman from this
>>country. As I have seen with my own eyes the kind of woman he's
>>managed to attract long before he met his wife, I know for a fact that
>>Jeem doesn't have that problem.
>
> hey john, I've read more than a couple of your articles,
> and you seem fairly level headed to me...so i want to ask you a couple
> o' questions (i dont really care if you answer 'em publicly or not)
> i guess i just want you to think about 'em.
Ok, shoot.
>
> first, jim dutton wrote regarding the women on the
> "russian women catalog"* sites
>
> "Those women from other country sites are the equivalent of
> americas match.com only the women are on average far more educated."
>
> from your perspective, do you think that's a true statement?
From my perspective, I really don't have enough information to go on. I've
never looked at match.com or a russian women catalog so my perspective on
the educational status from either forum would by entirely based on
hearsay. Just as a general impression though, when personal ads have been
posted in newsgroups that I read from Russian woman I have noticed a
general tendency of claims which indicate a high level of education whereas
when I've seen personal ads posted by American woman, typically educational
status isn't even mentioned. The only conclusion that I can draw from that
is that perhaps Russian women feel that their educational status is a more
important criteria for "selling themselves" as a potential mate than
American women seem to rate it.
>
> specifically, do ya think russian women tend to be better educated than
> their american counterparts?
Again, I really don't have enough evidence to make such a determination.
Just out of curiosity, why is this important to you? Frankly, the level of
formal education isn't an important criteria to me. I've been in long term
relationships with women with little formal education and am married to a
woman that holds a PhD in clinical psychology.
> even if you agree with that part, do you think that's the *ONLY*
> significant difference?
No, I don't, but that perspective is likely based mostly on stereotypes.
That's primarily based on the criteria upon which the users of those system
use for selecting a mate. My general sense is that the most important
criteria for women posting their profiles on the mail order bride site is
that the person they are looking for is living in the U.S.. However women
seeking men on U.S. based sites typically want someone in close proximity,
but criteria such as physical appearance, age, financial responsibility
(which I don't necessarily conclude as meaning "filthy rich"), basic
philosophies about family or religion, and general personality traits (must
have a good sense of humor), all seem to play a more important role.
Again, that's must my general sense.
>
> * btw, i'm not trying to be derogatory by calling it a "russian women
> catalog"
> That is actually what the site we were discussing calls itself.
> "http://www.russian-women-catalog.com/"
> other sites mentioned in this thread are called
> "http://www.bridesbymail.com/"
> "http://www.mailorderbrides.com/"
>
> Dutton initiated this episode of our lil flame war because I said
> (regarding the mail-order-bride sites) that those women were hoping to
> re-locate from a poorer nation to a wealthier nation via marriage.
>
> I don't think that's a controversial statement.
I don't think it is either...when taken out of context. When put into the
context of round one of your lil flame war, and the implication that his
wife is a mail order bride, I'm not surprised that he responded. What I
*have* noticed is that after round one of your lil flame war, you both went
back to your corners for awhile but you've both been poking at each other.
I know that Jeem has never been hesitant to partake in a bit of virtual
fist-i-cuffs and from the looks of it, you don't seem to be crying uncle
too quickly either.
>
> The next question, i want to ask you is...
> ..can you honestly say the comments i've made about jeem and his family
> are worse than the comments jeem's made about me and my family?
>
> how about the comments 'ol jeembo makes regularly regarding countless
> other posters and their families?
>
Jeem makes a lot of "yo momma" cracks. That's hardly news. If he didn't
get a reaction from them I doubt that he would continue to do it. From the
perspective that I have actually met Jeem on several occasions as well as
at least part of his family, I can see any comments made about him and his
family in a different context. You would really have to experience Jeem in
real life, hear his voice, and see how he interacts with other people to
understand.
--
John Fereira
Ithaca, NY
jaf***0@co***.edu[ ? ]
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