mASF post by "spirit"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, May 5, 2005
<finalD> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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> At least this gives me something to LOOK FOR when I go
> out, some manner of observing that isn't simply accepting a variety of
> chaotic or cacophonic stimuli into my sensory openings but is instead a
> variety of data that I can somehow tabulate and eventually (I hope) use.
Yup, totally...
...as a non-pu related but similar focus of attention, when I used to
rollerblade alot no matter where I was I would be constantly checking out
everywhere I went for road/pavement surface suitability, access to high rise
car parks, interesting obstacles etc - and also how these could be joined
together...
> Your second post, mostly about "indirect" game, does ring true to my
> experiences, though it seems a little basic for me, personally. (I
> hazard that there are a LOT of newbies who use what they call
> "indirect" simply because they're afraid of being "caught out" -- that
> is, they don't WANT the chick to know that the only reason they're
> talking to her is that they want to eventually fuck/have-relationship-
> with/PU her.
Yup, I included it for two reasons...
1. Easy way to demonstrate a point about working *with* environment
2. I don't 'sarge' - I'm sociable...
I agree some may see indirect as a way of not being 'caught out' yet it
really isn't the same thing.
> So, anyway, IF
> and when I go indirect, in the sense you're using here, it's more
> because it's a social convention to be "cool" rather than "over the
> top" about sexuality, and more because it's EFFECTIVE to appear actively
> disinterested even if she knows it's probably a false appearance.
It isn't a false appearance, I have no idea of whether she's the kinda
person I'd want as a friend or a fuck or nothing at all before I've spent a
small amount of time with her. I can acknowledge she's attractive without a
problem and there's little need to hide any 'qualifying'
> I'm
> completely comfortable with my "desires as a man" (see RJ, above); but
> I'm not consistently getting myself INTO LOGISTICAL SITUATIONS where
> this stuff can be useful at moving a chick's mood.
Yup, it's fair to say that a large part of PU is:
Creating opportunity
Working with opportunity
If you can look ahead to what's likely to come you can alter/adapt your game
for many situations very easily and to your advantage.
> What about locations you don't know? Most of your logistical advice, so
> far, has been (for lack of a better word) 'geographical'. Would you say
> that most of logistics is all about knowing the venue(s) in your home
> town? What do you do when you go traveling?
Alot of it appears to be 'geographical' and I suppose it is...
It's kinda funny how people will talk nlp style about the maps of your mind
without widening it in many case to include their environment and a big 'you
are here' arrow... i.e. the map or yourself in a social context as well as
physical.
So here's a bit of my 'map' lol - "People and places ain't so different"
If I go travelling, I don't need to know the area to have a great time
because more often than not towns/cities follow a very similar format...
Altho there are exceptions (which are 'solved' by speaking to people or
research) the location, style of building or it's facade will point to what
kind of a place it is and give away a little of what to expect inside... As
will a quick peek through the window or a look at the people in line...
People are the same and you can pick up the vibe of the place from a quick
look round... Besides, being a 'stranger in a strange land' gives you the
easiest of openers lol
> Another question. What about things that aren't geographical -- is it
> all down to group theory?
It's more about social intelligence... What I'm getting at is that although
people often have a preference for a given method - there are many
alternatives that can be utilised.
You don't need to be a professional performer to learn a few things to hold
the attention of a group or a few members of a group, any sociable person
can do this.
It appears you're still looking for a 'reason' to be there. It's perfectly
fine to be a man and not excuse your desires - however some times are more
appropriate/beneficial than others. Direct can work damn well with the girl
but still leave you with problems related to 'the group' (It can also go
'perfectly') As a generally sociable person you befriend/disarm the group
and later work on the target (moving from indirect to direct or from general
to specific) without performing or needing a 'reason' to be there other than
as a friendly guy...
This is why I mentioned an analog/flowing approach to the topic of PU as my
preference because it shifts and flows between direct and indirect.
In the same way some guys may use indirect as way of not getting caught
others will use direct from a frame similar to scarcity mentality- and each
of these approaches to pu is equally 'bad'... shifting between the two
usually provides more consistent results.
> What about the fact that my antennae are actually quite acute AFTER THE
> FACT. I am like a damn novelist with my "deep understanding" of human
> nature when I'm talking about it to my ex-girlfriends on the phone.
> There's a million sub-motivations and sly maneuvers that I know other
> people have done, but I've always been observer rather than participant.
> Likewise with the classes I teach, the teams I coach, the groups at
> work. I KNOW what's going on, I see it happen. I just can't (yet)
> REDIRECT it in any useful way. How does one transfer skill X into skill
> Y, from outsider to in?
Stop being a little 'aloof' and *get involved* ! lol
*Practice* the redirection.
...read my philosophy snippets post in advanced nicked off schopenhauer -
relate it back to your "deep understanding" as oppose to 'deep experience'
of human nature
It's like with the comments about your life and changing it all in one fell
swoop - bull in a china shop approach... Start making small, acheivable
changes in what you do and in everything you do.
One of the most important things perhaps is *getting back to neutral*.
Most guys seem to keep trying to take on more and more things whilst still
firefighting the old stuff. (or refusing to remove things they do out of
habit)
Take your place for example a simple change like making sure it's always in
a reasonably presentable state removes that logistical issue & you're ready
24/7 should anyone drop in...Take a trip out over a weekend and visit as
many places as you can or create a mail account solely for the e-flyers from
bars n clubs and such like - a skim read will give you a general idea of
what goes on where, visit the sites - check out any midweek nights, dress
restrictions etc
You can't redirect without knowing where you're going or having somewhere
for it to go...
Spirit
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