mASF post by "ox"
posted on: mASF forum: Reviews Discussion, June 6, 2005

On 5/31/05 6:23:00 AM, SnowDevil wrote:
>I've been a lurker for about 6
>months, and I signed up to
>mASF not too long ago. I'm an
>rAFC who's learning all these
>stuff the first time and
>getting out there and doing it
>now rather than just reading
>about it...
>
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>
>My bootcamp experience started
>very suddenly as I was
>informed pretty much 7pm on
>Friday night that there had
>been a cancellation. By 8pm
>I'd made the decision to do it
>and by 9pm I was on a plane to
>Sydney (from Brisbane).
>10:30pm I touched down in
>Sydney and 30 minutes later I
>met up with Hoobie outside the
>Hotel where I was going to be
>staying.
>
>A bit about me first. I was 27
>as of April 28th this year. I
>have never had a girlfriend,
>and had only ever kissed one
>girl. I'm not a bad looking
>guy though, just, I'd always
>isolated myself in front of
>computers and avoided social
>contact. Throughout school and
>early university I was a
>social retard, got picked on
>constantly up to late high
>school and basically ended up
>very very shy around girls.
>The thought of walking up to a
>group of girls would freeze me
>up in terror. As a result I
>was basically BAFC. I had
>always had interest from UGs
>before but ev.en though I
>couldn't get laid to save my
>life, my standards were too
>high to settle for someone I
>wasn't attracted to. So I
>stayed single, hoping that one
>day I might find that one girl
>who'd fall in love with me and
>because she'd see I was such a
>great guy, we'd stay together
>forever. How deluded I was
>lol.
>
>Anyway, probably late 2003 I
>was put onto the David
>DeAngelo stuff. I guess I had
>some trouble absorbing it
>properly. After taking it in,
>it kind of made sense, but I
>didn't really have much female
>social contact to back it up.
>Sure we had female friends of
>the family who I got along
>with and could laugh with, but
>I was always too supplicating
>and nervous to ever be too
>teasing or cocky. Anyway, I
>guess it was still a good
>starting point because I
>started to train myself to
>ditch the negative self-talk
>and try to improve myself. I'd
>always been a pretty positive
>and friendly person, just not
>in relation to my prospects
>with women. So anyway, to cut
>a long story short I signed up
>on an internet dating site and
>over the next year probably
>went on about ten dates,
>several of which were 7/8's.
>Problem is I never knew how to
>escalate or progress at all. I
>didn't understand kino
>concepts or anything like
>that. My best date went for
>six hours and looking back I
>know I missed about 800
>opportunities to progress, but
>about the best she got out of
>me was a kiss on the cheek. A
>few dates later I was out with
>a really hot girl and at the
>end of our 2-hour-or-so date I
>went to peck her on the cheek
>and she caught my lips with
>hers, but it was really weird
>because I'd never kissed
>anyone before. The next day
>she told me the kiss was way
>too weird and didn't want to
>see me again. I was shattered
>for the next couple of days.
>But ok I got over it.
>
>After that a period of many
>months went by. I had
>subscribed to David's
>Interview Series and was
>starting to get an idea of
>stuff a little bit more than I
>had before. Late last year I
>even discovered
>fastseduction.com and read the
>occasional bits and pieces,
>and although the concepts
>sounded good, actually going
>out there and trying to bust
>down my barriers of fear was
>not something I had been able
>to do so far. I came across
>references, both here and on
>the interview series, to RSD.
>Eventually I thought to visit
>the website and came across
>the bootcamp concept which
>sounded really really good. By
>this time I was probably on
>about 3 mailing lists (DD,
>RSD, DJ) and had pretty much
>eliminated 98% of my negative
>self talk and started to
>become pretty confident, but I
>still had no idea how to open
>sets or any of that stuff. It
>was all pretty alien to me,
>but I really really wanted to
>learn, and I knew that I could
>learn with some help. So I
>sent an email off to RSD
>asking when their next Sydney
>bootcamps were going to be,
>and a few days later I got an
>email from Papa at RSD letting
>me know that there was an
>urgent bootcamp spot to be
>filled if I wanted it, so I
>jumped at the opportunity,
>which brings us back to the
>start of the review, and me
>having just shaken hands with
>my instructor for the weekend
>Hugh (Hoobie).
>
>For the next hour or so I gave
>him a run-down of my
>background and we talked about
>what the weekend would entail,
>then we set off in a taxi for
>a club called "The
>Establishment". Pretty much
>from the moment we hit the
>club he started making me open
>sets. Between every set he
>reviewed with my what happened
>and helped me make small
>corrections before pretty much
>pointing at another set and
>saying "ok, those two over
>there, go open." Each time
>he'd stand covertly near me
>and take careful note of what
>I was doing. Initial things he
>helped me correct were making
>sure my body language matched
>theirs, i.e. if their leaning
>back, do the same, stuff like
>that. Punish/reward using body
>language. He also gradually
>got me to slow down my
>hundred-miles-an-hour speech
>rate, fix my voice tonality
>and stop sounding so excited
>when i was talking to someone
>who was being pretty laid
>back. He also got me to try a
>few different opening styles,
>including the opinion-opener,
>just saying hello and also
>being direct by telling the
>girl "hi i saw you and thought
>you were hot so i thought i'd
>introduce myself". This was
>essentially what I ended up
>using most over the weekend
>because I found I had over 90%
>opening success rate with HBs.
>I started noticing all the
>IOIs they were giving me and
>noticing them being hooked,
>although Hugh had to point
>this out to me at first. It
>hadn't occurred to me that
>they wouldn't be asking me
>questions about myself if they
>had no interest. I then
>started to notice them
>laughing at things I said that
>weren't funny, playing with
>hair, increased facial
>expressions and stuff too. I
>finished that evening making
>out with a hot (7 by my
>standards) 31-year-old woman
>who ran a law firm. At that
>point I'd probably opened
>about 10 sets and even had a
>few numbers, and started
>utilising my relaxed body
>language, slower speech,
>punish/reward on leaning
>in/out, that sort of stuff,
>and she ate it right up. Hugh
>was right near me and would
>whisper stuff in my ear like
>"hook", and then "go for the
>extraction". She never even
>noticed. We went to a couch
>and I was kind of at a bit of
>a loss, and Hugh came up again
>and said we should kiss which
>kind of made us laugh, but
>then I said "nah you probably
>can't kiss anyway" (thanks
>David D!) and she ate it right
>up. After that I number closed
>(stoopid me duh) and when I
>went back to Hugh who looked
>at me shocked and told me to
>go over and re-engage and tell
>her to come for a walk with
>me. She resisted but we ended
>up dancing, and kissing a bit
>more, but I couldn't seem to
>go any further than that, and
>eventually it was over. But
>hey, that's further than I
>ever got with any woman
>before, and only on my first
>night of bootcamp! So I wasn't
>unhappy. I didn't kiss any
>girls again over the weekend
>but I still learned a lot.
>
>That night I tossed and turned
>and woke up over and over
>again because my head wouldn't
>shut up.

ha, ha, it is just like me when i met loverboy...funny shit.
all these things i am learning uh! eyeopening.


1pm I met Hugh in the
>city and we headed over to
>Bondi Beach to do some beach
>sarging. Hugh made me use the
>direct approach again seeing
>as I was having success with
>it, and I managed to open a
>whole bunch more sets with
>reasonably good looking girls.
>Got the numbers of some too.
>Chatted to one french chick
>(probably a 7.5) for a good
>half an hour, practising with
>kino, laughing a lot, using a
>bit of C+F (which I've never
>been much good at doing on cue
>before) and generally building
>great rapport. Number closed
>and left. We then headed back
>to my hotel and prepared to
>hit the clubs again.
>
>I opened a lot of sets that
>night, probably a good 15-20
>I'd say, mostly with groups of
>girls, and started to get (at
>least the appearance of being)
>pretty confident approaching
>closed groups of hot girls
>with the direct approach. Got
>lots and lots of IOI, hooking,
>kino and the numbers of
>several 8's, 9's and at least
>one 10. Total total hottie. 23
>years old, long blonde hair,
>beautiful face, amazing
>personality, kindergarten
>teacher, and she was totally
>into me, but I didn't manage
>to extract her from her
>friends who she was sitting at
>a table having drinks with,
>although I did get her number,
>which she keenly gave up. I
>wish I was still in Sydney
>because i reckon she would
>have been mine easily. I
>really need to practice the
>extraction, but I know now I
>can do it. I also need to take
>note of wash/rinse/repeat when
>I fail on the first extract.
>But that's cool, there's
>plenty of time for that.
>
>Later on we headed over to
>Manly and arrived about
>2:30am, when things were
>really starting to dry up, and
>only managed to get into some
>club downstairs, where the
>absolute best w could find for
>practice was some chick (maybe
>5-6) who was a bit drunk and
>didn't have much energy, but
>Hugh pushed me into it anyway
>for the practice. We didn't
>stay though because it was
>pretty seedy and teeming with
>huge scary looking Maori guys
>who could have knocked me flat
>(and I'm a solid 6'1") with
>ease. Finished up with an
>approach on a an ok (6-7?)
>blonde outside who gave me
>total bitch shield, but I was
>friendly and persisted after
>which she opened right up. We
>had a good bit of conversation
>but she was waiting for
>another guy who she'd already
>attached to that evening, so
>it didn't go anywhere.
>
>Sunday we spent the day on
>Manly beach and that afternoon
>in a shopping mall. The beach
>was great practice, I opened
>sets and got numbers of some
>really hot girls (including a
>beautiful blonde swedish
>chick, easily a 10). The whole
>time Hugh was there coaching
>me, discussing the game with
>me, going over the weekend so
>far, talking about my
>technique and generally
>kicking me into sets. I'd say
>the whole weekend I opened at
>least 50 sets, and only got
>blown out maybe 4 or 5 times,
>using the direct approach
>about 95% of the time (hi, saw
>you, think you're hot,
>introduction, etc).
>
>It was amazing, pretty much
>every set I opened directly
>was greeted by giggles and
>warm smiles, followed by
>thanks for the compliment,
>introductions and conversation
>ensuing. I never really knew
>it was so easy to get the
>interest of such hot girls,
>and the whole concept of
>approach-to-kiss-close in a
>club had always been beyond my
>comprehension. I feel suddenly
>unblocked and am 1000% more
>sure of myself now. Am heading
>out on the weekend with Hugh's
>previous student who also
>lives in Brisbane and I can't
>wait to start practising with
>what I learned. I owe a huge
>debt of gratitude to Hugh and
>RSD and do not regret a single
>penny spent.
>
>-SnowDevil

ha, ha you sound like me in loverboy bootcamp...of course you feel like you got
your money´s worth...probably more, he, he...
you will see your game skyrocket for the next month(lb told me and i didnt
believe him..ha, ha and then i got laid 4 straight weekends following the boot
camp). you will ride the wave of the bootcamp until your next plateau in the
game. gotta love them plateaus!

kick ass report. mad props.
ox
walking