mASF post by "RPG"
posted on: mASF forum: Field Reports Discussion, June 6, 2005
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I think that you handled it great. This chick was pissing me just to read your
report.
Small comments
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I was at a drug company-sponsored dinner and saw a cute Asian girl in tight
white pants get up and walk off to the ladies’ room. While I was staring at her
darling little derriere I thought that I should approach her after the talk was
over.
When everyone was getting up to leave, I walked over to her table. When I got
closer I saw that she was “with” some guy. I asked them what they did and how
they knew each other. He was a pharmacist and she a family doctor. I engaged
both of them briefly but then soon turned my attention to her. He stood there
watching as we chatted together and then walked away. Within about 30 seconds,
and without really asking, she gave me her home phone number.
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I've got that other day with some chick too. One starts to think he's PUA aura
or what:-)
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I called her a few days later and played it cool on the phone – just friendly
chatting. She told me that she had a friend that she wanted to introduce me to.
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What the fuck was with her friend all the time. It looks bit that she hooks up
with you in order to find a guy for her friend. (PUA aura dissapearing:-) )
Great for her friend (something like a natural hooking up his AFC friend) but
nearly insult for you. Her friend is socially inept if she needs that and your
HB CRAZY puts you on same level because it means you are desesperate for sex so
much you will accept to be lured by her and then accept her inept friend.
She probably wasn't thinking so far but it's her point of view and regarding
that people judge others with themselves as model, you see what she's thinking
about herself.
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I didn’t tell her yes or no I just let it ride. When the conversation came
around to sex she told me that she only had sex with guys when she knew that
they loved her.
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You field report sort ends like proving it but nevertheless it sounds to me as
"for record" BS. Sort she tells that because that's what she would like to be
true but she already feels otherwise.
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At the end of the conversation, she ended up asking me if I wanted to pick her
up the next day and we would have a drink together. I said OK and hung up the
phone.
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Makes more steps toward you that is usual. Basically she seduces you more than
you do her.
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When I greeted her the next day at her office I approached her and held out my
arms to give her a greeting kiss on each cheek (we do this in Montreal). She
said hi but walked right by.
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At real time I wouldn't notice it but written down it realy sticks out. She
more or less take iniciative for the meeting and then she don't kiss you? (I
guess in the culture it's like in USA to say hello, something you do with all
your female friends, children and maybe some guys. Means really nothing.)
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I was put off by this and as we drove away I spent the next ten minutes negging
her and really busting on her.
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Probably the mistake, you continued seduction as if nothing happened when there
was a major flaw in her behaviour.
Personnally I would drop it here and then play it for clean way out. Chick
who's impolite in this situation means more shit afterwards.
You could handle it directly as shittest though. To adress it directly asking
her what is going about or joke about her in order to make her look uneducated
primitif. Whatever.
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She actually seemed to be turned on by this.
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Probably was. Like someone who likes chocolate cakes and makes one for her
friend she don't want to eat. - She's able of it but a temptation is here.
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I took her to a hotel rooftop pool and we sat at the bar together. She spoke
more about the friend that she wanted me to meet. I teased her some more
telling her how “special” she was and that I didn’t think we would ever get
along.
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If you were decided just to fuck her, then it's good. But otherwise you should
screen/ask her what was going about.
Simple "Why?" can be enough because it just doesn't makes sense. It really
looks like whore pimping guy for whatever she wants from him.
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There was some periodic kino and playfighting. I got up and said that I wanted
to look out over the roof to see the cityscape. I waved her over to come look
with me and she came over. She asked me why I had phoned her. I thought that
this was a really obnoxious question and I answered “I thought you might have
some friends to introduce me to”(I would learn later why she asked me this).
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You didn't write it explicitely.
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Then when I tried get closer to her she would move away. So I figured that she
was an obnoxious attention seeker who wanted to know if I liked her for her own
personal validation.
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No, she wanted you to meet her friend. Validation she has left and right
without going so far.
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I said that I had to go shopping and started to walk off. She asked me if she
could go shopping with me so I said “I guess”. We went to urban outfitters and
we started to flirt more with each other. I sat down in this seat and she sat
on top of me and didn’t budge when I put my arm around her.
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She does push and pull. She comes only when she loses you. When you play she
thinks it's on and start to think how to hook you with her friend.
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Then I pushed her off playfully saying that there wasn’t enough room for both
of us. She went to sit somewhere else and I sat down on a couch and started
reading some funny books nearby. I waved her over telling her that the book was
pretty funny. She sat down next to me and again our bodies were touching and we
did some more playfighting. I ran the trust test
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I forgot what it is :-) Someone tells me?
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on her and we got nose-to-nose – then rather than kiss her, I just gave her a
hug and then pushed her off. When we sat down again, and I put my hand on the
backrest behind her, she withdrew.
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Right, she's in so she keeps you at distance. Same pattern again and again.
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I thought that this was strange given that she had “passed” the trust test
with flying colours. We got up and started looking at a book about kama sutra
and sexual positions. We looked at them all and I told her that I didn’t think
that she would be flexible enough to do certain ones and she replied that she
thought she could. The I went to sit down again and pulled her on top of me and
she said “What are you doing?”
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Again her game. You could tell her "fuck you in front of everyone":-), not that
I thing it is good but it would break her game/frame she imposes on you. And if
she runs - just good riddance.
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I didn’t let go of her right away but she seemed uncomfortable and she got up.
We left and I told her I was going to take her to the subway. On the way back
to my car, she asked me if I would only like her friend because she was asian.
I was answering in a sarcastic tone saying “oh of course- there could be no
other reason.” She asked me to go with her to another drug company event just
me and her. I said I was busy, thinking that this girl is too indirect and
plays too many games.
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Only one.
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I walk her to the subway and when I say that she should get going she stalls
and tries to keep the conversation going and then asking me if I was going to
kiss her goodbye.
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Right. She "lost" the gift for her friend so she's back.
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I told her to kiss me goodbye first – which she did on the cheeks – so I did
the same to her. Then she asked me if I would like to double date with her and
her friend (without telling me who I would be going out with) and then told me
that I was cute. I was sarcastic with her again saying “ oh yeah sure call me
blah blah blah” She walked off in a huff because she said that she didn’t know
how to take me.
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Sure:-/ Actually she was blaming you for her own shit. She knew exactly why you
were pissed, sarcastic etc. She wanted just control you so she can accomplish
mission for her friend.
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Anyway, I figured that she was just immature and forgot about her.
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This sort of immaturity surely have a proper name in psychiatry. In her head
you don't exist as a person but just as sort of non-entity usefull only to her
needs.
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A week later, she calls me to see how things are going. I tell her that I had
to be downtown that day and she asked me if I would like to pick her up and we
would go eat together. Then during the conversation she says “Did I tell you
that I have a boyfriend?” I ignore the question and keep talking as if nothing
was said.
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You could make no with head. If you ignore it, you actually still give it some
importance.
If I tell you that I won regional competition on local history back in 1993,
you will say something monosylabic or maybe one or two sentences and then
subject would dry up.
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I pick her up and I take her to an Italian restaurant and start busting on her
again. During lunch, whenever she would raise the topic of her boyfriend I
would turn my head and ignore her or change the subject.
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Why you could run some BF destroyers. And maybe her BF is just BS.
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When she started asking me why I was single I changed the subject.
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You could answer. It's good signe when chick asks question. When you give
normal answer it looks normal. When you don't answer it looks like you hide
some weakness. "I'm always single between two chicks." is true, says nothing
and show the stupidity of her question.
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I told her that she could buy me lunch if she wanted but that I insisted on
paying for myself just so I wouldn’t feel like she was expecting anything. She
laughed at this and then (after all the ballbusting I had done) she told me
that she liked me because I was a challenge.
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Shittest. Double bind. You say yes - and she plays on you being challenge. You
say no and devaluate yourself.
I would try: "Depends for who."
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She ended up paying for the lunch and we got up and I said that I had to go. I
took her by the hand and spun her a few times but then when I kept her hand in
mine she said “can I have my hand back?”
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Again. But you let her play her for so long.
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I said “no” She said “unless this is a marriage proposal” I said “oh so that’s
what it would take.”
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Just look sideways at her like she's retarded.
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I walked with her back to my car and she said that she hadn’t yet seen my
apartment.
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And back again. I think that actually she didn't know what she wants. If you
somehow toke of responsability you could fcuk her (and have problem how to get
rid of her).
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I said “why don’t we go watch some DVDs that I bought” She agreed and we drove
off. In the car I was busting on her some more (turning up the volume when she
asked me turn it down, telling her that she was going to clean my apartment
when we got home, etc…. very David DeAngelo- very effective by the way – she
was laughing the whole time). When we arrived, she said she was cold
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I don't know this one, but chicks say that when they want hug and cuddle. Not
sure if she wanted it. She just could remember her BF get closer. But she could
needed it also to send you then to her friend.
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so I gave her shirt but then I brought my duvet out to the couch, inferring
that we could both get under it. She wouldn’t sit down and instead walked
around. I’m thinking “OK more games”. So I get up and start cleaning my place
and pretty much ignoring her for a few minutes. Then I throw a pillow
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you came back.
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at her and sit down on the couch. She said aren’t we going to watch the movie –
isn’t that why we came here? So I set up the movie and then I get my duvet
again and tell her that she cannot share it with me. She says that I am very
mean to her but she lies down closer to me. Then after a few minutes, I start
tickling her and she says she is only ticklish when she is kissed on the neck.
So I attack her and try to kiss her on the neck and she fights but basically
lets me do it. Then she pulls away. Eventually I ask her if she wants to switch
seats and she comes and sits next to me and is now lying under the covers with
me so I totally go for it and start making out with her and kissing her all
over her neck, etc… She says no please don’t do it…my boyfriend blah blah….I’m
going to feel so guilty….but the whole time she is really getting into it. I
suck on her tits and start to rub her pussy through her pants. She doesn't
resist this at all. (Remember – don’t believe what she says, believe what she
does)I pick her up and take her to the bedroom. I start to unbutton the top
button. Now she is saying stop stop stop. I try to unzip her pants but she
takes my hand and says “stop this is my limit”.
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Fuck. What limit? Like "It is OK to have my tits sucked and pussy rubbed by
other guys than my BF but more would mean I'm unfaitfull." How often does she
does that.
Her BF would think it is beyond limits anyway, so she can easilly continue to
full fuck without changing anything important.
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Wash rinse repeat but she isn't letting me proceed. Well I don’t want to have
her accuse me of date rape so I did a freezeout and suddenly got off her and
said “I’m going to go finish the movie.” She goes back to watch the movie and
after a few minutes, we start kissing again
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We means who? You or her. You should led her stew a bit more. Mystery does it
well.
I think that here you fucked up (well, disregarding I would screen her out long
time ago).
Or you could just play it where it is and rub her through her pants as long as
she's so excited she doesn't give fuck. Or tells you a real reason you can then
deal with.
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and I pick her up and take her to the shower. I start getting undressed but
she doesn’t want to go into the shower. I pull her into the bathroom but she
resists a lot. I shut the door in her face and have my shower. When I return to
the couch she is lying there. I start sucking her earlobes which really turns
her on and we start making out again. She tells me that she doesn’t want to
have sex with me because she doesn’t know what I want from her.
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Shittest. She plays clueless.
You just want have sex, she tries to play you for something else.
"I just enjoy doing that. Strange you don't understand it. It feels so good."
And some SS. :-)
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She says that she doesn’t want me to think of her as a sex object and that she
has been very hurt in the past when guys fuck her and then make it clear that
that is all they wanted from her.
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Well. I'm used to run away from chicks with that BS, but she tells you how
exactly you have to treat her.
Bitches like that push guys to promiss them love so they can fuck them. So
honest guy stops and bastard lies, fuks her and leave her.
Here I would probably make her a lecture about love, how you have know each
other before you love someone. And you cant love someone before sleeping with
her, because its important part o personality and so on a la MrSex4youNYC.
"Then lets enjoy just kissing" (and cuddling and rubbing pussy until you can't
take it anymore)
And its insulting to treat you in function of other men. It was her job to
think about guys she spread legs for.
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She starts crying and asking me if we can still be friends.
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Friendship has to be spontaneous and you make me feel weird. - And be cold
until sh runs back or fuck off.
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I say of course we can be friends (the truth being that I would have a hard
time being friends with her – I find her a little nuts) Basically this girl,
while attractive enough for me to want to fuck, was so indirect and kooky, I
decided that I could only fuck her a few times but that I could never be
friends with her or have a relationship.
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So now think if it wasn't better to drop her on the first shit and hit directly
on some other, more interesting chick. (It's not a tragedy, it's on the shit
like that you learn.)
I said to her – “look if it is upsetting you this much then it isn’t worth it
for you or me – we’re supposed to be having fun together - so I think I should
just take you home now.” In the car she starts asking me all these questions
about whether I was capable of falling in love with someone, etc…
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Tries to indirectly blame you. If only you could be in love with her (and do
what she wants) she would fuck you, (make you her new BF and go until her
limits with other guys)
She says that she really needs a guy to love her before she can sleep with him
and I tell her that I don't think I can give her what she wants.
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Good. Actually there is noone who can do it. It's like book asking you ti love
it before you reat it. :-/
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I didn't want to tell her that I thought I was capable of loving her just so I
could fuck her cuz the truth is that i would not want a relationship with her.
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And she very probably either. Because she wouldn't have track record of fuck
and leave experieces because she would chose relationship guys.
If she wants relationship, it is like AFC wants sex. With whoever who's chick.
And both works same. Who wants be whoever for your sex/relationship partner?
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I dropped her off and she asked me if she could kiss me again. I said ‘no’ at
first but then gave her a little peck on the lips and she left.
Something tells me that I will hear from her again. Any feedback from anyone?
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Probably you will and she will probably play you for relationship, then accept
fucking, put relationship BS again and so on, until she pisses you so much you
will need to get rid of her ASAP.
Treat her rather as returning fox. Tell her that you thought about, she's
right, you can propose her just sex (romance, connection a la maniac in the
manual), you are not like other guys she had, you don't want lie to her, make
empty promisses and if she can't deal with it it better you don't see each
other though you would enjoy it if she agree.
There is so much shit in stakes that better to keep it on your conditions or
not at all.
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