mASF post by "Tokyopua"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, March 3, 2005Mystery,
Hey, good to see you posting here again man. I like how calm you are about
accepting challenges, however ludicrous the claims.
Now Elvis mentioned having the PU challenge out of the country. So I formally
propose we have it in Tokyo Japan so that I can kick everyones ass :-) I
guarantee all the approaches will be COLD, very cold since I will be the only
who speaks the language!
But seriously, the guy is a fraud as Ross figured out. Another poster figured
out that he is using some scam by posting a pay per call phone number! I
checked the 809 area code on google, and sure enough all kinds of warnings come
up.
So I am going to talk to Jay and let him know we have a troll on the board.
Elvis, you are a marked man on this board. But if you are real, Form has a
standing challenge for PUAs to show up in Boston and prove their stuff, and you
can prove you exist that way. And I have made a career of meeting the guys who
nobody thought were real like Gunwitch, so here is your last chance. Come out
to Boston, prove yourself. But if you keep spamming here with pay per call
numbers and other bullshit, you will feel the wrath of Form.
-TokyoPUA
On 3/23/05 10:17:00 PM, Mystery wrote:
>>I (Mystery) emailed this guy Elvis Preston King (discovered on Thundercat's
website) and he sent me a doc file outlining a challenge. I reply in a public
PUA forum to that doc file so that we may have an open exchange of dialog
regarding his claims and his challenge.
>
>-----
>
>If you are a bachelor looking
>for help in picking up girls
>and you do your Google search
>numerous gurus of picking up
>girls pop up in the search.
>So, how do you pick the right
>teacher or the right man for
>the job to help you pick up
>and seduce girls.
>
>>Very good question. If others could comment on what THEY would like to see as
evidence, that would be helpful. I give some concepts below.
>
>Do you go with the old
>original who started the whole
>phase, Eric Weber, “How to
>Pick up Girls” or one of the
>new hot shots. It’s really
>hard to tell who is hiding
>behind his books, videos,
>tapes and or seminars. And who
>really knows how to pick up
>and seduce girls.
>
>The newest guy on the block is
>Elvis Preston King, His claim
>to fame that he holds an
>average of 1000 girlfriends.
>
>>I have not met him nor have I met anyone who has met him. The first step to
building his "street rep" would be for him to meet other reputable PUAs who can
vouch for his skills in-field. I for one welcome a meeting with Elvis. I'm sure
if he is unable to meet other PUAs in the states we can find a trusted PUA in
Elvis' city to meet him so we may have a trusted witness testimonial. If it is
true elvis "holds an average of 1000 girlfriends", then this would beg the
question, "how hot are they on average?" A man who can fuck a lot of ugly girls
may not be as valuable as a man who can fuck a lot of hot girls. So we would
need to see some photos of his women or have a chance to meet some of them
(maybe a sample of 10% would be fair - I personally have photos of more than
half of the women I've been with - many of whom various PUAs have met in person
and have seen get picked up live and in the presence of a fellow PUA) to judge
if they are of below average looks or above average looks. I show some photos
of my ex-GFs during my free 2 hour seminar which I conduct once every month or
two - and I boast that the women I've been with (ok Ive had some dogs in the
distant past Ill admit) are in the 8 9 and 10 range. His claim would also
suggest he has a skillset that is proficient enough to obtain so many women. We
would wish to see some evidence of this skillset. I personally have been seen
by many people (students or other successful PUAs alike) successfully picking
up women. Since I have actively met many of the PUAs worth their salt, I have a
list of references to support my claim that I can pickup beautiful women in
dynamic social situations with great consistancy. You may meet those who met me
and saw me pickup live in-field at various lair meetings, summits, and seminars
or read their eye-witness testimonials online. I have even permitted my
students to meet my GFs from time to time at my seminars. Forgive me however
for having added skepticism when someone says they have a 1000 GFs because it
seems too convenient to have a quantity so close to 1000 and not 900 or 1100.
Also, that many women means it is unlikely they were all that hot seeing as any
in-fielder knows the difficulty of FINDING women of beauty in the real world.
But hey, it may be possible and therefore I feel if someone we trust could see
some photos of Elvis's women (not just 3 or 4), discretely meet some of his
women, see Elvis cold approach and attract women live in-field would settle
much of this skepticism. I feel I have satisfied all these issues. You may meet
me live, learn about my personal experiences with women, see photos, meet some
of them personally, watch me live in-field performing successful cold
approaches, and meet others who have taken my methods and transformed
themselves into top PUAs (many of which you know as they are active community
members). Cool, Ive done pretty good. Who knew?!
>
>New ones coming and old ones
>going. He picks up, seduces
>and makes love to an average
>of one to three new girls per
>day.
>
>>Unless he is running a SOCIAL HARNESSING SYSTEM like Motley Crue or a MALE
STRIPPER, I have a great deal of skepticism. It is very difficult (as most PUAs
would agree) to fuck 1 to 3 new girls a day and still have time to actually
pick them up ... PU takes TIME. Also, it takes additional time to FIND women of
value. Im not talking about SKILL, Im talking only of PHYSICS. Even Motley Crue
does hit these mathematical #s.
>
>Young and sexy dream girls. As
>far as our research is
>concerned Elvis is the only
>one who will put his
>reputation on the line and
>PICK UP GIRLS for guys.
>
>>Obviously 100% false. Many of my former students are pros now and like me put
their rep on the line in-field LIVE at EVERY bootcamp. There are hundreds of
witnesses to these live in-field cold approach skills. I suggest Elvis consider
revising this.
>
>Elvis goes out with his
>clients, the client points to
>the girl of his dreams and
>Elvis goes to work picking her
>up and seducing her.
>
>>is there any evidence that he has done this before? even if he's done this
for free. And while it is valuable to witness live pickup (I am the pioneer of
the in-field workshop afterall), can Elvis then backwards engineer what he does
into a system that he can teach his student(s) so that they can practice to
replicate Elvis' actions to attain similar results (a seminar component)? Does
Elvis have any former students as I do (Style for one) who kick ASS in-field
now? Please note that Im not bashing, Im just noting what I feel is neccessary
for a potential client to make an informed decision. This is also an open
dialog so if anyone wishes additional proof of value, then comments are very
welcome and will be addressed.
>
>Elvis is so good at the art of
>seduction that his claim to
>fame is satisfaction
>guaranteed. You don’t get laid
>Elvis don’t get paid.
>
>>Skills take time to go from being ACADEMIC to being INTERNALIZED into MOTOR
RESPONSE. How long does this guarantee last? I too have a 100% money back
guarantee but its based on SATISFACTION and now "if you get laid" because some
guys may be happy they took the seminar but then decide to not apply the
information. This guarantee sounds unrealistic.
>
>Elvis’s job description, I
>pick up and seduce girls for
>guys. Elvis works
>Internationally and is
>available for hire. Elvis is
>truly an International
>Playboy.
>
>>As is mine - only I then go forward to teach HOW I do it in a SYSTEMATIC way
... which is why I call it a METHOD because "what one man can do, another man
can do". While some have suggested it was a priviledge to witness a live
Mystery Pickup, it isnt enough to JUST witness pickup. To learn how to do it
too, the student needs a METHOD to replicate the results. And then they need to
be pushed into sets and coached in-field to correct sticking points. and then
of course they have to still commit to long term internalizing so we have
conference calls every 6 weeks or so to keep them going (a martial artist
doesnt just take a 3 day self defense workshop and become a black belt) with
homework (or rather, in-field work).
>
>What about the rest of these
>pick up and seduction artists,
>Guy Gets Girl, Pick up Chicks,
>Pick up Lines That Work, Want
>to Become a Hot Guy, Want to
>Be Stud, How to Seduce Women,
>How to Pick up Girls, Seducers
>Secrets Revealed, Pick up
>Guide Maniac High’s Pick up
>Girls Guide and Seduction,
>Pick up Girls Guide: How to
>Lay Girls Guide, Secrets of
>Being Successful With Girls,
>How to Meet Pick up Attract
>and Seduce Women, 200 Ways and
>Places to Pick up Girls, Pick
>up Lines, Tips to Pick up
>Girls, Tips For Geeks Trying
>To Pick up Girls, Secrets of
>Meeting Women, What Women
>Want, Fast Seduction 101 the
>Art of Pick up and Seduction,
>How Not to Pick up Women, Use
>Charisma to Pick up and Meet
>Women, and last but not least
>The Lazy Man’s Way to Pick up
>Girls by Elvis Preston King.
>
>>Im sorry but I got lost here. You cannot become a black belt in martial arts
with just a guide or some martial arts tips. You will need a system or method
(whether you know it or not). successful PUAs use a method that leads to
success. AFCs use a method that doesnt lead to success.
>
>Some of the self-professed how
>to pick up girls gurus are,
>first and foremost Eric Weber,
>the original classic How to
>Pick up Girls, Payton Kane,
>Seduce and Conquer, David
>DeAngelo Double Your Dating,
>Wayne Ross The Complete Guide
>to Attracting Women, Sebastian
>Fron, Simple Seducer, Derek
>Vitalio, Nonverbal Sexual
>Cuing , and Steve Pell Pick up
>Girls, and Elvis Preston
>King, Are You a Dirty old Man
>looking For Dream Girls,
>Dirty Old Men Get Their Dream
>girls, Bachelor Dream Tours,
>Richest Man on Earth,
>Billionaire Playboy, Are You
>an Older Man Miserable With
>Your Sex Life, Are You a Rich
>Shy Guy Who Can’t Pick up
>Dream Girls, How Would You
>like to Have a Travel Buddy
>Who Knows How to Pick up Dream
>Girls, and of course, The lazy
>Man’s Way to Pick Up Girls and
>many more.
>
>>Ive been in the seduction community since 1998. Ive met a shitload of the pro
PUAs and many of the people listed here are NOT in-field proven PUAs. They are
merely authors of ebooks and books. Even David D. doesnt claim to be a PUA
(although I don't doubt he enjoys success in-field). He is a business man who
markets information products. He doesnt do in-field bootcamps. So why is he,
and the others, on a list for in-field LIVE PUAs?
>
>So who his the REAL King? Is
>it Eric Weber, Elvis Preston
>King or maybe he is Don Diebel
>Succeed With Women or maybe he
>is Payton Kane Seduce and
>Conquer. Who is the Master of
>Seduction REALLY?
>
>>I Elvis King has issued a challenge that all of the gurus of picking up and
seducing girls be put in one hotel in a strange city outside of the United
States chosen by a third party commission who does not know any of the
contestants.
>
>Outrageous, seeing as most of
>the gurus happen to be in
>America. The challenge is
>illogical. "ALL" the seduction
>gurus coming to a "strange
>city outside of the states". A
>little LIMITING dont you
>think? This is far too
>self-serving. Now, I'd do it
>if I thought he wouldn't
>merely benefit from a free
>demonstration by me. A man no
>one in the seduction community
>claims to be great and then
>sets up a strange and
>self-serving challenge where
>every great guru must come to
>HIM is ... disappointing. The
>failure of logic within this
>document conveys a lack of
>credibility. *shrug*
>
>Give them an ink pen and a
>notebook for the girls phone
>numbers and a two week to one
>month time frame and see who
>gets the most women in the
>sack in the allotted time.
>
>>I have a better one: how about we have the top 9 known gurus (and the unknown
Elvis) go into a cold room in a city convenient to MOST of the gurus and be
given 5 approaches of THEIR CHOICE within the cold room each. He who gets MORE
attraction (proven by make-outs, #s, good kino, etc.) is the winner. and we
secretly video each approach (I can cover the costs of this if neccessary). If
you cant consistently open a group and attract your chosen girl (who we hope to
be a 9+!) then what good is your skillset? running around and hitting on
EVERYONE and hoping ONE will stick is FOOL'S MATE - it doesnt take a MONTH to
pickup a girl - well, not in my world.
>
>Invite the Guiness Book of
>World Records along for
>verification and all the
>world’s media and just see who
>gets their girls!!!!! Of
>course keeping the news quiet
>until the competition is
>complete!
>
>>As an attention hound, I am up for the media being present sure. It may be
hard to find 9 people who would welcome the media to invade their privacy but
Im sure we could find 3 more people other than myself and Elvis to participate.
I nominate Gunwitch, TD, and Swinggcat off the top of my head. Badboy may be
interested. They would all benefit from winning such a competition.
>
>Give the boys a handicap by
>putting them in a foreign
>country but allowing an
>enterpreter if needed. Now
>cash or gifts allowed over
>five dollars.
>
>>As a magician from Hollywood I'd take that bet in a heartbeat but it would be
an unfair advantage. No, I believe doing it in the language of the PUA is more
than fair. No need for a handicap of any sort. Bring whatever you need to bring
to get the job done. Just make sure the room is COLD before you enter it,
that's all we need to be satisfied. And we can judge whether the set knew the
PUA before he entered the room by watching the video.
>
>If a top player has been
>overlooked email Elvis King
>and explain your claim to fame
>and Elvis will edit this
>article on the internet and ad
>your name and your work to
>this article.
>
>>I believe that being an AUTHOR is not enough proof of skill. There must be
some PROOF ... I know that all but Gunwitch has been seen in-field (Ive seen TD
and Swinggcat myself and they have game). I have confidence based on reputation
that Badboy has game. And I hear SOMEONE saw Gunny so the challenge should be
open to him too.
>
>Elvis is ready for the
>competition Elvis can be
>reached at
>lov***r@ya***.com[ ? ] or
>by telephone at 809-581-8648
>at home or at his Playboy
>Mansion at 809-570-5100. Let
>the competition begin!!!
>
>>I have contacted him by email (and forwarded this post) and if the
competition parameters can be modified so that the terms are within the realms
of REASON (like what I have outlined above) then we will have ourselves a
competition. We can even make a video of the competition and all share in the
profits equally win or lose (or better, the winner gets the profits from the
video - Im sure MANY people would LOVE to get their hands on such a
competition).
>
>Love Mystery
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