mASF post by "Little God"
posted on: mASF forum: Reviews Discussion, January 1, 2005Chariot, Me and the Sydney Morning Herald Journalist – RSD Bootcamp review.
(Posting guidelines fulfilment: first registered on mASF October 2004. Posted
about 4 times. Am receiving no credit for posting this. Not connections with
anyone at RSD beyond personal friendship. This is an informational post.)
NB: These are my newbie impressions from my newbie bootcamp, so I WILL be
off-track sometimes. I’d LOVE any feedback to tweak my game with. Also, the
workshop/bootcamp is tailored to the individual, so what was taught on this
camp was what was needed to get me IN the game, different to what a more
advanced PUA would be taught.
I’d heard TD’s interview on the DYD series, and was impressed. He seemed so
much more.. knowledgeable than DD. So when I read a post of his on mASF and
connected 2 and 2, I was impressed enough to read his entire archive. Which I
thought was either the most interesting collection of non-fiction writing I’d
ever come across, or the most impressive collection of fiction writing I’d ever
come across.
I wanted to know which, so when I saw the new list of Australian bootcamps and
workshops at RSD, I impulsively signed up for a bootcamp. This post is a review
of that bootcamp.
ME
I’m 23 years old, Asian, 5’6, 65 KG. When my parents got divorced when I was
young, my mum took it really badly. As a result, I grew up with this internal
drive that I was going to find the perfect girl, who I would never have to
break up with, and never go through a terrible divorce with. If I want a great
girl, I’d need to be a great guy, so I was the ultimate SNAG, reading all the
relationship books, dissing all those JERKS on TV, having deep, understanding
conversations with all these girls.
I’ve had a few girlfriends, but have only had sex once. She was a very nice,
intelligent, friendly, cute, plump girl. Who I simply wasn’t attracted to.
Funny, that.
IMPROVEMENTS IN MY GAME:
-PROJECTION. One of my biggest problems (which I was totally unaware of) was my
soft voice. People had mentioned it before, but I’d never dwelled on it. I need
to work on projecting more loudly. When you open a set, or are just talking to
people, being louder (naturally, without straining) makes you more dominant. It
enables you to cut over other people, plus it’s preventative, as people won’t
try to interrupt as much.
-POSITIVE FRAME.
Another HUGE issue was my negative, analytical approach to the game. I’m a
naturally analytical guy, so after every set I was thinking about what I
could’ve done better, where I stuffed up. But that was KILLING my game. Like
I’d feel like crap, and of course wouldn’t want to approach next time. Negative
thinking was also initially an issue when Chariot told me to approach a set. He
could tell just from my body language what I was thinking before approach. So
Tony Robbins style, I concentrated on my actions, eliminating the negative,
defensive, actions, and focusing on the positive, proactive actions.
And after the sets, I need to be focusing on the cool, positive things I got
out of it, or what lessons I learned. Like, after a set, Sam (the reporter)
would be like “Wow, that was amazing how you did x, y” and I’d be like “yeah..
but I so totally blew that z”. It’s so subtle, but it’s amazing how much better
I felt when I just accepted that, and felt that “yeah! That WAS amazing how I
did X, Y!” Like how many people could’ve done X, Y? F’sure!
Lesson learned: have FUN on your night out, and recalibrate AFTERWARDS.
-COOL.
Another huge thing was my misconception of what was ‘cool’. Like, I come from a
Martial Arts background, so I thought I had ‘cool’ down with spades. Poker
face, 100% eye contact, still, laid back body-language. Thing is, in a SOCIAL
environment, ‘cool’ is something else. It’s someone who is playful, fun, and
confident. Someone who can play with other peoples’ frames without letting
other people affect theirs. It was like I was indifferent to my own
conversation, which of course, spreads to the girl, even if she is attracted to
me, and it doesn’t go anywhere fast. Basically, if you’re Morpheus or Jet Li
cool in a club, there’s nothing unique or attractive about that. You’re like
every other guy there. Your body language can still be laid-back cool, but your
conversation has to be something else.
-KEEPING THE FRAME/PLOWING.
In the opening/attraction stage of the game, it’s important to own the frame,
to plow it open. To do it right, it helps to have a few things down: attraction
material, non-needy BL, booming projection. Another cool thing Chariot did were
those cool mini-take-away type things. Like he'd see that they were about to
go, and say something like "We need to go now, but if we didn't have to, I
would adopt you and make you my little sisters".. he'd turn to go, and turn
back and say "So anyway, I saw this little kid the other day, he was this
tall.."
Now you may notice that logically, this interaction has a hiccup in it. But
because he's done the backturn, and the adoption bit has pumped the girls' BT
up, and because he goes straight into an interesting DHV, and because he has
Dominant Projection, the girls are in emotional state and don't even register
it.
-AMOGing
The AMOGing stuff is SO awesome to watch. You can tell by watching an
interaction how deep in or how alpha a guy is, and just by coming in and
blowing him out by IGNORING him, your value jumps up so high. Chariot did a
post about this recently called AMOG contrasting or something.
You also slowly turn your back to him so he's out of the circle, you create a
bubble around you and the girls, and he's not in that bubble. This also has a
LOT to do with projection.
An AMOG battle should only last two to three lines. It's subtle, and you don't
accept him into your frame. You don’t feed his either.
-FUNNY SHIT
I learned the Leprecaun dance, the DRAGAWAY! SONG, and the power of inside
jokes. Above all, the VALUE of having fun, being the coolest, funnest guys in
the room. Sets will open YOU if you have this down.
-QUALIFICATION
Chariot had this $$$ qualification bit at the M2F mystery stage. It was a lot
to do with body-language (very convincing and natural) but he'd be like "OMG, I
can't believe this. Like. Can you believe we met at X-club? I feel so…"
THE STORIES
Project Sydney is this awesome apartment across the street from Manly beach. On
the balcony you can watch sets walk past, and if so inclined, you could run out
and open them. I met the three guys who rent there, who are just really cool
guys. Chariot and I crashed there.
Watching Chariot in action was pretty cool. He would get AI’s and IOI’s
wherever he went, because he had all the sub-communications down, was dressed
cool, and was just chilling with friends. He could bust open a set in seconds,
because he had all the little nuances down, but externally it came from a frame
where he was just chilling out and having fun.
On the first night he stopped a two set just to ask for directions. Before he
started talking they were smiling, he did Best Friends, Girl Code, Adoption,
and when they left they were walking sideways to hide the stains between their
legs. :)
-SAM
Papa had e-mailed asking me if it was okay if Sam, a reporter, tagged along
with us. He was going to write a review for RSD in the Sydney Morning Herald. I
said it was cool, but was unaware that he was in for a workshop. This for me
kinda detracted from the value of a bootcamp. After all, I had forked out a lot
of money to get 1 on 1 time with an instructor, and here I was sharing
instruction time with someone who hadn’t heard of mASF or read any material or
theory before.
But actually, hanging out with Sam was very cool. He’s this cool, 35 year old
reporter who has good internal game, and some great personal DHV’s. He was
really fascinated about the game, and it blew his mind. It was also good
getting compliments from him. I guess to my mind, the guy I was paying to
instruct me could’ve been biased, but this RAFC guy was genuinely impressed.
It was also interesting watching his sets, and seeing where he did well, and
also seeing what he did to muck sets up. He’s the kinda guy, who when he learns
how to consistently get past the hook points, is gonna kick some SERIOUS ass.
And get some too.
-MATRIX STUFF
It was so funny having Chariot as the lifeguard. Sam was in set with this HB9
and all these drunk guys would see him in set and try to sabotage. Chariot
would open them and distract them, then send them on their way. It was like
pacman, or Space Invaders. He'd grab their arm and say "Hey guys (always
dominant projection), I've got this song in my head. Who sings it? It goes You
spin me right round baby right round..." He did this about eight times!
He'd watch our sets, and know where we were at in the sarge. He'd pretend to be
on his mobile, and yell out "CUBE!" or "ADOPTION" at us. The girls wouldn't
even register it. It just wasn't in their reality.
Actually, There was a drunk girl who did a false take-away on Sam, and Chariot
saw it and called out "FALSE TAKEAWAY" to Sam. The girl heard it, asked, and
Chariot explained it to her. She was like all negative face, then she nodded
and said.. "he's good.."
-FINNISH GIRLS
Back at ProSyd at the end of the first night, Chariot went downstairs to grab
some Pizza, I don’t think he made it though as he a couple of Finnish girls
come up to him and say something in Finnish. He’s like “oh no.. you didn’t just
open me..” After one attraction line, he pulls them upstairs. He isolates his
chick and leaves one with me to practice with.
I won’t go into the details. Suffice to say I will be focusing on escalation,
gunwitch and end-game in the months to come. The number-close was okay, but the
Precious demands Action.
It was also interesting seeing the ‘darker’ side of pick-up. Like, what to do
about a chick who’s into you, but you’re not into, afterwards. Honestly, I need
a re-frame. It’s just fun. You had fun, they had fun. You can’t think too much
about it, and I think you need to project this frame to the chick in order to
manage her relationship expectations.
-NOW
I've got the basics. Really I think it's a matter of just chilling out, and
having a good time, chatting to girls and calibrating at the end of the night.
Repeat.
-SUMMARY
For those of you considering a seminar, workshop or bootcamp, there’s
tremendous value in all three. Because this game is something you’ve probably
never seen before, it’s almost impossible to envision it accurately. Like, I
spent three months reading posts, stories and material, but I was still WAY off
in how I pictured the game to be.
If you’re not in the field, it’s like learning about American NFL by reading
books, as opposed to watching or playing a real game.
If you’re out in the field, you’re already getting good feedback from your own
social interactions, but going to RSD is like getting coaching from someone who
has ALREADY gone through that long trial and error process and calibration.
It’s the difference between say, learning golf by playing by yourself for two
years, or getting coaching from a professional.
In the end, you’ll need both to get really good.
As to the difference between a workshop and a bootcamp, it was really cool to
see how a PUA operate in everyday life. Their social ease translates to every
interaction they have. You get to see how their positive approach to their life
reflects their fun, positive approach to PU, and the results it gets them.
That, to me, was what made the extra $ worth it.
BTW, if you have any questions, feel free to e-mail.
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