mASF post by "loverboy"
posted on: mASF forum: Field Reports Discussion, April 4, 2004Hey DoctorOwl thanks so much for a great reply.
I am so annoyed, typed up a whole reply and lost it!! So this is a retype....
>I had to wake up for work
>every morning at 7, same with
>Coolwater.
Yeah man. 6:30 here cuz it takes an hour to get to hwere I'm supposed to be,
but I need like at least 8-9 hours of sleep a night. So say if i'm out till
like 3, I will NOT get up till 12 or so and end up missing class. lol. Not
good.
>These routines are good. It's
>hard though because you're not
>going out doing a set list.
Yeah I know. I often just 'go with it'. I tried the 'cheat sheet' thing but I
find that every set is so dynamic, in terms of numbers, responses, girl's
behaviours, the type of girls, the environment, etc. that I really need to try
and find a 'standard' which I can use in every single set.
>I think you could really
>benefit from sitting down to
>think about how they all tie
>together (like words you can
>use to link them all together,
>'that reminds me ... ', 'you
>know ...', 'did you see ...')
>to get a solid list.
Here's an example of a PU - () are what the girl responds verbally/nonverbally.
Would love to hear your thoughts.
DIRECT approach. I used to open over the shoulder but now I just walk right up
to groups, full EC with all the girls with a big smile. 'Hey guys, I just
bought a puppy for my sister, and can't seem to come up with a good name for
it. Let's hear some suggestions!!' ('Is it a boy or a girl?' / 'what kind of a
dog is it') 'Easy lady, I have only met u for like 15 seconds and u're talking
to me about sex already... ;) haha. boy or girl... I don't know. I didn't
sniff!' (hahaha!) / 'it's the vicious kind. have u ever seen men in black. it
looks a bit like that one, even though this one hasn't learned english yet. My
mom tried to get it to sit and it started barking. Told it to 'give paw' and it
sat.' (hahaha) It's not the kind of dog u'd want. i don't think u can handle
it... u look like a bad girl' ('hahaha' / 'Call it X!!' / 'Erm...' looks at
friends, talk and try to come up with a name, 'Dunno....' / IOI of some kind)
-> photo routine 'look here's a picture of it... i told u it looks vicious'
(noooo it's sooo cute!!! awww) 'oh and here are my kittens ('awwwwwwwwwwwww'),
'oh and here is my bitch' -> photo of nicole kidman / kylie and me ('hahaha!' /
OMG!!! is that x /y!!!!!! OMG!! OMG!! How did you get that pic!! Is that really
you???' / 'ah, cool... /whatever') 'No, it's not me of course! It's a double
figure. WHy would I EVER put myself in danger? But screw the bitches, I prefer
my gimps (photo of hugh grant and me) 'OMG!! It's HUGH GRANT!! HOW!!! AHH!H!H!
AHH!!! '
I use a similar routine to open guys in mixed sets. Often times I would show
them a picture of me and Hugh Hefner. Next thing these alpha guys are like
kittens in a prairie jungle. ('Holy shit man, u hooked up with any of those
playmates?')
Story 1
I guess the fact that I'm not in LA helps alot.. but of course, some girls are
alot less responsive to this kind of stuff. I just watch their reactions. I
won't bother with it if I think they aren't responding to high profile celebs.
Cold reading: 'You look like you might be trouble. Stay away from me! / OMG, u
girls are like powerpuff girls... but where's bubbles? / You're trouble aren't
u... i'm going to call u little miss trouble and u little miss evil.' / Best
friends (are you a psychologist!!!!??) 'no. since i was released from prison
last year i've been a freelance gynaecologist. when was ur last checkup?' (OMG
u're sooo rude!!! really, what do u do....') 'porn star / butt model / guy in
elevator' ('ok.... tell me, really.. else I'm leaving! / 'yeah, whatever....' +
lockup)
'OMG, u're sooo cute when u're mad!! AWWW keep that face.. Wait.. I'm gonna get
a photoo.....' (this suddenly gave me the idea that I can get a gallery of all
the HBs I PU with them pulling angry faces)
If the chick says something funny 'omg u're sooo funny... yeah... u're almost
so feisty, u're busting my feistometer. are u one of those girls that is so
feisty and is a snuggler that when u snuggle up to a lover after sex (SP can do
no harm) and sleep you think you get 8 hours of extra sleep each night?
('hahahahah' giggling uncontrollably, but then 'what?? i dont understand!!!
what do u mean????') 'I mean you're so feisty, even if I want to pack u in a
suitcase or bubble wrap and take you shopping in Hong Kong I think you might
just burst.'
Story to 1 girl if they IOI me with questions: 'Yeah, I like this city. People
here seem cool. Also the girls here seem so much more genuine. Almost every
single girl I've dated in LA has had plastic surgery or does cocaine. If I
were a cocaine dealing plastic surgeon I'd also need an OD clinic in the boob
theatre!!' (I'm sure I can expand this to convey more)
'Pull my finger' (every chick fell for this, some chicks laugh when I crack up
when they do it, others are less responsive)
'Ok.. u're cool. I'm gonna adopt u as my little sister!!' (giggles) 'Oh.. and
we should totally like make out in public where everyone knows of our
relationship.... that would be funny... even better... u can dress up like a
nun and I a priest and we'lll go at it!!!'
'U're either the coolest girl, or like this total weirdo... anyway i'm curious
about you....tell me, are u adventerous... can u cook... ok this relationship
isn't going to work out.' (sometimes I get shit tested 'What relationship???')
'OMG, I wanna marry u!!!' (awwww!!!!) 'Yeah. Then I'd shag ur brains out,
divorce u, and take half ur money.' (u're such an ass / u cheeky sod!!!!)
Push pull: 'Where are u from? Hmm.. never kissed a girl from x. You might be
lucky to be the first ;) Actually nah, I bet u use too much tongue!!! Wait, do
girls from x know how to kiss? I've noticed that girls here kiss like fish...
on a scale of 1-10 how good a kisser are u?' (I've found that bringing up the
subject of kissing quite early on is actually good and I'm gauging their
reaction through this)
Games
'Fuck, marry and kill.' -> only done this once
'Who wants to be a millionaire' -> only done this once
Trust test -> most girls take my hands but don't squeeze when I squeeze. So I
fail them. Offer them a resit.
ISOLATE
CUBE
ISOLATE 2 (if I didn't isolate yet e.g if I did the cube with their friends
around, I say that the musci is too loud to tell her about her so let's go
somewhere else)
FROM HERE I OFTEN FREESTYLE. I would certainly like to have more structure
after I isolate!!! I would probably run a few of the following:
Rapport from CUBE. Kino. Or even hold their hands while I tell them about it.
Or act like I'm palm reading while I tell them about the cube. Problem is I
haven't found any smooth transition to go from the cube to a close.
Hair test -> 'mm u smell nice...' -> close. (so far, been good. but like in the
case where i spent a whole hour sarging this chick with a BF she did go 'i
can't... i can't... i've been with my BF for 4 years and i never cheated on
him...'
I don't know if this is too much mateiral before I close. My goal, is just to
tongue down 9s and 10s and go from there. I feel that the whole dynamics change
once the kissing occurs. The rest, is a matter of building C&T, controlling
their ASDs, LMRs and logistics.
>One other thing. Do you tell
>any personal stories during
>these routines? A large
>component of TD stuff is story
>telling once or twice after
>every attraction routine, to
>convey personality and build
>comfort and trust early, of
>course they're funny or
>interesting though. Make sure
>you're not missing this step.
Yeah ... I have been trying to get my stories to have alot more emotions in
them lately... from funny stuff to emotional stuff. I haven't sky dived or been
mugged so I don't have many heart racing stuff from life. I've stripped on
stage for a Mr university competition so I'm sure that could be a good story.
The main problem with stories is that I don't want them to be bragging. For
example, if I bring famous names up in my stories the girl might be like 'are u
making all this up?' or 'yeah yeah'. If I convey something like 'u women are
like stalkers. one girl told my friend she kept a photo of me stripping under
her pillow' it might seem like bragging.
Maybe I can intro it through questions: 'do u like dancing? yeah.. i used to
feel so funny about it... until i went to this competition.... but i had to
strip.. so that made it all easier to bear esp when i'm fully clothed now...
ha.. ok whatever u're thinking i'm not taking my clothes off for you yet so
stop thinking about wanting me to strip for you!!!'
>I haven't seen people do magic
>here in set, so I can only
>imagine a good magician would
>be leaning back relaxed like
>he's fun with everyone, not
>just the HB (it's not a reward
>or a qualification, it is
>building attraction).
EXACTLY. I even do it peripheral to the target. So it's like doing it for
everyone, but her. Sometimes say I would borrow a ring from her, but say, make
the ring float, for OTHERS. My fav however is where I walk up to a group of
people, show them an empty pack of cigarettes and say 'how many cigs u smoke a
day?' Then I say 'You hate giving ciggys away don't u!!! well, don't worry. I
wasn't asking for any.' Click my fingers. The cig pack fills up ('OMG OMG!!!
WTF!!! Do that again!! How did u do that!!!!)
>sure how you'd do the dancing,
>have fun I guess ... dance
>with other girls instead of
>her.
One of my sticking points. I still feel uncomfortable going up to chicks
without talking and just dancing up to them. I don't want them to like run
away from me. I don't know why I feel this way because I have absolutely no
problem just walking up and talking to chicks. I guess I feel like if they
don't give me a green light it also looks bad for my social proof, since
everyone is watching people with more attention on the dance floor.
>I mustn't have read the
>original post properly. 2
>minutes isn't enough. I guess
>you shot yourself in the foot,
>your willingness to drag her
>to the dance floor is probably
>what made you seem needy.
Yeah I realized. I think what was going through my head was 'I tongued down in
30 seconds last night.. I can do this again....' But yeah, *BANG*. :/
Thanks man. Would love to hear what you think on the basic structure, routine,
responses, etc.
Loverboy
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