mASF post by "NYpartyguy"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, February 2, 2005On 2/21/05 6:41:31 AM, intlzncster wrote:
>I understand what you are
>trying to say here, that
>students have a "glow" or
>energy that they may ride for
>a few days or weeks post
>workshop. That he
>should only give a review of
>the seminar when this "glow"
>has worn off and
>he become more objective.
>With all due respect, this
>phenomena happens at
>almost all workshop/seminars
>you attend.
I absolutely agree. I didn't imply that this only happens after RSD workshops.
It happens with all workshops, which is why I haven't reviewed my BB workshop
yet on this board.
>The blame for the
>effectiveness (or perceived
>lack thereof) of the workshop
>is placed on the wrong party
>in this respect.
This is where we begin to disagree.
>If, after a
>few months, you
>feel that things aren't
>working for you, it certainly
>has nothing to do with
>the workshop itself. It has
>everything to do with you as
>an individual.
That's just untrue. It might have something to do with you, but if you're
totally confused, it has everything to do with the workshop. A workshop isn't a
magic pill but it should steer you in the right direction atleast. Total
confusion is the result of poor instruction.
>Most students' beliefs in
>themselves and beliefs around
>what a workshop is
>supposed to provide are both
>severely misguided.
That is b/c of the way the workshop was marketed. A customer only knows what he
is told. The aggressive marketing leads customers to believe certain things
that are not true. However, it is not their fault. The fault lies in that of
the workshop for lying in order to get the person's money, filling them with
false hopes and unrealistic expectations.
>You so badly want the workshop
>to fix you and then you get
>mad/frustrated/resentful that
>it doesn't. I mean shit, you
>did pay 1500
>bucks, or whatever it is these
>days (by the way, if this is
>alot of money to
>you, then you've got some
>beliefs around money which
>need some work as
>well -- but that's another
>post).
Now you've gone temporarily insane. Either that or you're filthy rich. To a
struggling college student who is 25k a year in debt to pay for school and all
his free money goes to books (that is the typical workshop student b/c they
need the most help and are the most inexperienced) 1500 is a LOT of money. Very
few people have 1500 to burn. Therefore, if you spend 1500 on something, it
better deliver. I am glad you are rich and can afford 1500 dollar mistakes, but
most of us cannot. I think you have some beliefs about money that you need to
address.
> Too many times i see
>guys bag a
>workshop because they aren't
>as successful as they feel
>they should be
>postworkshop. The reality is
>that they got to fix
>themselves first. Noone
>can do it for them.
LOL, then why say that you can? Why do some workshops say that they can when
they know they can't? Guys who go to workshops (for the most part) have no
expectations. They just badly want to improve. The expectations are put into
theirs heads by instructors. Therefore their expectations are only as realistic
as their instructors are honest.
>Only you can make the change.
>YOU are responsible. Believe
>it.
>
>Best,
>
>intlzncster
Correct, but a little help in exchange for a lot of money also works. Following
your advice, no workshops would even be in business b/c you place full blame on
improvement on the student. Therefore, workshops can't offer anything if you
fully extend the logic of your post. I disagree. Going to get some help from a
workshop run by a skilled instructor is very helpful. Reaching out for help,
even if you don't get it the first few times, eventually leads to you getting
what you need. The effort needs to be yours, but if you pay a workshop for help
(at high prices), the responsibility is no longer solely yours. Some workshops
understand this and others don't.
>Full Disclaimer: I'm good
>friends with a couple of the
>RSD instructors (the
>Oz crew). This is no way
>influences my impartial
>comments of the RSD
>program however. As I've said, most
>students problems with
>the workshops stems from
>internal problems, not the
>workshops themselves.
Wrong. The problem stems from the fact that workshops promise things they can't
deliver. Some workshops actually help you deal with the internal issues. That's
right, you can pay lots of money and get help both internally and externally.
All the problems are internal. However, that's why people go to workshops in
the first place. Or else guys would just go to lairs only. Workshops are
supposed to be part of the solution. My problem with your post is that it is
unrealistic. It requires someone have good internals, lots of money to spend,
and not expecting any results. It also asks for nothing in return from these
workshops except showing up and taking the customers money.
Judging by your post, you are not familiar with workshop students. Nor are you
even aware of why workshops exist in the first place. Your post was very
preachy and unrealistic and thank goodness not all workshops subscribe to it,
or else none of them would be any good.
-NYPG
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