mASF post by "Tiks"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, July 7, 2004> Nightblue wrote in news:[email protected]:
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> First here are some things I noticed that I improved now Im surrounded
> by naturals with top game.
> Some alpha dynamics.
Hey! Great post but like the other said there’s a room for elaboration.
So please bear with me. I have some question.
> A big part of being alpha is courting attention.
> You cant be alpha and stay in the background.
> When there are only women around I can shut up for a long time while
> they try to charge the convo.
> But in a cold approach and especially with other guys around, this
> can't be the case if I want the girls.
Agreed.
> You dont need to have the skill of solid attention courting for most
> women. Its not a must have.
> But if you want a true hottie it gets more of a must.
> Their filters are much higher so you cant just be average.
> And even with a six or sevens, when there are other guys in the
> picture you must convey you are the deal.
This actually is easy. Being an Alpha of a male group is easy. Being the
top guy in the whole nightclub is an other deal thought. I have more
female friends. From time to time I meet some AMOG and make them follow
me around the club like a dog. Don’t know I’m more of a loner. I like
doing cold approaches alone. Being the lead of an AMOG group makes a
solid social proof thought. Just as walking around with two hot chicks
both in each hand. SO the question is how you create social proof using
an AMOG group?
You set up an AMOG group. You do wingman approaches but how do you set
your wingman’s social conditioning so that he will not only be your
shallow shadow but will also impress the other girl by being cool and
desirable? Or how do you mach your stile with your wingman’s so that you
two will be concurrent?
> When youre new in the social interaction, like the case with cold
> approaches, you need to get interest at the beginning.
> Good bodylanguage and/or good tonality at first can even be enough.
> First, is getting how important that is.
> People I see mostly focus on doing cool/attractive stuff like routines
> and shifts.
> While all you need to do is avoid unattractive things.
> When youre not doing any unattractive things, your attractive.
> Women see it that way. When they perceive you as average or not
> attractive enough, you did something unattractive next to the
> attractive stuff like C&F or other things.
Agreed. Are you using something to hold back at very early stages of the
cold approach?
> The unattractive things are mostly in bodylanguage and tonality. That
> gives the vibe.
> The unspoken vibe does everything in the sarge.
> When you have a careless vibe, even if you talk bs you'll be
> attractive in her eyes.
> The vibe is careless, relaxed. The opposite of being under pressure
> and anxiety.
> Some dudes Ive seen from the european lairs do those things while they
> have really good game.
> Giving a little cue that youre under pressure or something similar,
> can be an enough turn-off for her to lose interest.
> Key point here is, just regaming and relaxing instead of being under
> more pressure b/c the sarge isnt going well.
> Now about verbal game.
> When I first open with a good opener and run some valuable routines,
> my verbal game is solid and they get that.
> Then when I shut up for a while girls want me to continue and do stuff
> to get me active.
> Since they know that my verbal skills are attractive.
> If you havent conveyed that your verbal game is good, they dont have
> much interest in making you active.
> Everything they do to get you to participate is chasing.
> I used to think that Id have to be really cool or very good at game to
> be chased.
> Found out that its just as learning any other skill.
Very cool concept! You turn the tables and make them chase you by giving
them a close taste how cool emotions you inject by talking. When they
start chasing it’s easy to hold the attraction using C&F comments
negging DLVs and DHVs and pushing and occasional IOIs. How do you notice
when the time has arrived when it’s time to turn the tables?
> About action reaction dynamics. The girls reactions is based on your
> actions. She reacts to what you do.
> Its always like this.
> If you show too much interest and start working to get her, she'll
> react in that frame.
> You can never satisfy her anyway by consciously working to get her.
> Its starting a battle you'll never win.
>
> While when you tease her validation frame, all she'll do is make
> herself look perfect to you.
> Every thing I do has to do with it. Either disqualifying her or
> myself.
A chick I hadn’t fucked wanted to come over and spend the night, I had
no time for her and turned her down. And now it’s fucked. So you only
tease their validation frame and won’t go too far by rejecting them
totally? I guess it depends on a specific chick?
> In club dynamics, its your energy that gets her attention.
> There's no way that its my verbal game gets them.
> They dont understand a lot of what I say anyway.
> I do things that she perceives as attractive, like leading her while
> not showing attention/interest,
> pushing her away like she's a toy Im bored of and other things like
> that. Like a routine thing I do is display those things and lead her
> to the dancefloor, then make her notice that Im embarrased for dancing
> with her b/c she sucks at it.
> I mimick her behavior with exagerating dumb stuff and turn away or
> push her away.
> Then she desperately tries to do things that I'll like.
> Then I'll grab her ass and kiss her and start doing the same things
> again so she continues to make herself look good to me.
>
pushing & pulling
Also I agree with that high energy is the way in club cold approaches.
Low energy can work when you set the trap and make them approach you. I
guess you also toy with pulling with high energy attraction material and
pushing & sucing them into your frame by low level energy mini
throwaways?
> Clubs are filled with dumb chicks who want to reassure that theyre
> hot.
>
> All the stupid games and roles they play are really just annoying. All
> you have to do is show and act that you think this way about them.
> I mean, what makes one girl there so special. In the same room there
> are numorous other girls who act the same idiotic way for the same
> reason.
>
> Most of them dont plan to get laid by acting like that.
> They want to "have fun", which basically means feel validated by all
> those morons who are all over them.
> When they get home they laugh while talking about it.
>
> Here's where you shime in. When you convey that you find it dumb that
> theyre playing little games and roles you stand out.
> Then you get some comfort with the same careless vibe.
> I dont even show that I want to kiss her or touch her much so she
> doesnt expect me to lay her when I venuechange.
> When I make out with them its mostly so they'll be more comfortable
> for the venuechange.
> And I keep it short so it wont be a "I want to fuck you" SOI.
> When were at the lay venue, I create a dumb reason why fucking isnt a
> big probability, while that I lay her.
> She doesnt know what hit her :-)
> Good sex makes a meet after that or some kind of relationship in way
> better odds.
> When you start doing these same things again and again, it just
> becomes normal. Its your regular reality and everytime you do it you
> improve.
Very good notes in the last paragraph!!! Very good.
Tiks.
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