mASF post by "Nice Guy"
posted on: USENet: alt.seduction.fast newsgroup, April 4, 2001<SNIP>
> >Making her feel loved (but not saying I love
> >you or anything) is something I see as necessary in order to PU, no?
>
> no. what if a bitch needs to feel DOMINATED in order to want to fuck? if
you
> make her feel loved, that is not going to help you at all. if you love
her,
> you will not dominate her because you care about her too much. what if
she
> needs to feel like you don't care about her at all and that by fucking
you, she
> can get some of your attention? if you show a chick like that that you
care
> about her, she will never fuck you because she is already getting the end
> result that she wants.
>
> what you need to do is get her to TELL YOU what kind of guy she goes for
and
> then BE THAT MAN. capture her imagination and lead it. read the
materials.
>
Ok, I was relating to this chick here, and my inexperience with women is
clearly showing through. I've never been with a chick who needed to be
dominated - they usually fall into my above category (where u
love em and fuck em!). But I can see your point here relating to chicks
as a whole, and how some may need to be left in order to fuck you for
attention.
> >It makes her want you as YOU make her feel this way. Have I missed a
> >major suplicating rule here?
>
> not of supplication. your mistake was taking ONE EXAMPLE of how to bag a
bitch
> and THINKING that it is useful in ALL situations. you have to be
flexible.
> play it where it lays. tell a goth chick that you love her and care about
her
> and she will spit in your face before fucking you. use the proper
techniques
> for different bitches. elicit their values then feed it back to them.
>
My mistake, good observation. I was relating to this one chick - I didn't
make that clear (as it was all one in my mind!)
> the only reason I brought up supplication is that it seemed like you said
you
> were FAKING "loving" her in order to get her to fuck. what would have
happened
> if you had stopped faking it? would she have cut you off sooner? what if
you
> had fucked her however YOU wanted instead of however SHE wanted?
I *fucked* her every which way I wanted, but I treated her (when not
fucking) like she wanted to be treated which was to be made to feel safe,
protected, loved and secure - the typical stuff. I figure that makes her
feel like fucking me.
> there is
> nothing wrong with determining that your HB9 fucks for "love" and then
acting
> like you love her in order to get her to fuck you, but that has nothing to
do
> with skill... that's just LYING :) like when you have one girlfriend and
then
> don't tell another chick that you are with someone and then you have two
> girlfriends. you are a good LIAR... not a master at seduction. that's
the
> same thing as when guys promise marriage so they can fuck a bitch then
when she
> gets restless, they get an engagement ring and get to fuck her for another
4 or
> 5 years then they call the whole shit off before the marriage. the chick
> THOUGHT she was fucking her husband, but she was just being leased like a
car
> :) that doesn't make the guy a PUA. he merely understood which carrot to
hold
> out in front of her to make her fuck and suck for A LONG TIME :)
>
You're right, that doesn't make him a PUA, but surely, such UNDERSTANDING of
the situation is better than an afc asshole who'd just go on hoping he's
doing the right thing? Besides, I'm nowhere near PUA so I'll leave that
alone for now : )
> >Also, I try to end my relationships with no one despising the other, that
> >way, if I need her in the future (to put in a good word at her future
firm,
> >to pivot for me, to lend me someting I want - non sexual stuff basically)
> >she'll happily help me.
>
> that's fine. you will be better off managing her relationship
expectations in
> the beginning than after the fact.
>
> >If I end with 'Fuck me or I'll fuck off' in words,
> >this future oppurtunity will dissapear as she'll hold me to my saying
'fuck
> >off if your not fucking me. I could just stop seeing her if she stops
> >fucking me, and that way it's disguised as a 'we drifted apart' kinda
thing.
>
> you are still too concerned with looking like you are not doing what you
SAID
> you were going to do. are you ashamed? do you not do whatever YOU want
to do?
>
Ok, I'll give you that you seem to come across as a totally confident guy
with chicks - fair enough. But, haven't you ever though 'shit, I better not
do that, I don't want to fuck things up...' even when you really wanted to
do that particular thing? I'm not saying that is the case with me, I'm just
trying to show you that doing what YOU want is not ALWAYS the right thing to
do, as the consequenses may fuck you, hardcore. Do you agree here, or are
you about to teach me something new (again!)?
> you don't tell her "fuck off". you merely explain to her that her
benefits are
> a function of her sexuality towards you. it is a trade-off. if you are
not
> getting what you want from her, you will get it from another chick and
that new
> chick will gain the benefits that the old one will lose... such as talking
> about driving tests. she has a BOYFRIEND. she DUMPED YOU! and you are
afraid
> to tell her that since she is not going to be fucking you anymore, you are
> going to fuck and spend time with other women? ugh.
>
I don't have a problem with telling her that, as it's not the same thing as
'If you're not fucking me, I don't want to see you again' is it? When I was
setting up this thing where she's a pivot (with her friends at her uni
halls), I made it clear that I was gonna be trying to PU them. I just don't
want to tell her that I wont ever see her again if she doesn't want to fuck
me (for her fture, non sexual uses). That's it.
> here's a test. ask your "friend" that you "drifted apart from" to lend
you
> $20. I don't think she'll do it :) 20 MEASLEY dollars. I'm SURE you
have
> spent much more than that on her. give her little tests to SEE if you
have any
> "friendship" left :)
I can almost GUARANTEE she'll lend me the money. The only reason I can't
FULLY guarantee it is because it is still physically possible for her to
move her lips and make a 'no' sound. I don't mean to come across as cocky or
whatever man, but I'm 99% sure she'll lend me the money! Maybe I've missed
out something to tell you about, but as far as I know, it all here. Am I
relying on instinct? I don't know. Maybe she'll just feel rude for not
giving me the money, as it'll not seem congruent with her wanting to be
friends, I don't know. If I was gonna plan to speak to her in the near
future, I'd ask her for the money.
Tell me something. Do you thing I should contact her? For what? Coz at the
moment, I've just nexted her as I can't be asked with her idiotness any
more, and I'm sure she'll call in the near future (happened last time she
found a bloke and we stopped being fb's due to her guilt). Last time I
didn't call her. Then one day, I'm at a friends house and she calls, just
like that, out of the blue (cell to cell which is expensive!). She wanted to
talk and I had to cut her short - I was out!
>
> >> if I were you, I would tell her to hook me up with some of her horny
> >> girlfriends because of hre breaking your contract. she won't do it
> >because she
> >> doesn't have to AND she would be getting rid of her BACKUP dick, but
it's
> >worth
> >> a try since she MAY feel guilty about dumping you the harsh way she
did.
> >
> >Ha ha, I was working on this WHILE we were still fb's! I got to know some
of
> >the girls in her uni halls (where they all live - a girls block!), but
> >wasn't ever with any of them long enough to get a decent PU started, but
if
> >they saw me again, they'd definitely recognise and converse. Her halls
are a
> >20 mile drive from my house though, so I'm not there that often : (
>
> oh I see. so you can spend HOURS posting on the NG, but you won't spend
30
> minutes driving to their area to meet and potentially fuck REAL LIFE
BITCHES
> that you have already been introduced to? think about it dude. your
> priorities are backwards.
>
Maybe. I'm 20, in uni full time and I don't own a car and have to rely on my
dads (when he's not at work). I live at home with my parents, but they let
me come and go as I please, but no bitches in the house (I bring em when my
folks are at work!), AND I have to drive through LONDON to get there. Taking
a train will take an hour and a half as there are LOADS of stops inbetween
as we go through the city - FUCK THAT! It may be 20 miles, but I better be
guaranteed to get some pussy after going through all that - that's why I'm
currently WORKING on my pu skills, so that I can sit a chick down and KNOW
that I have the SKILLS needed to bed her. Once I get there, I'll happily
make the journey, either way. Fuck that, I'll make YOU proud...
> >> >I'm not gonna call or mail or anything until she shapes
> >> >up, and if she doesn't, I wont have to put up with her asshole games.
> >>
> >> that's fine as long as you remember that she keeps getting laid during
> >that
> >> time and you do not.
> >>
> >
> >Ok, that's true, but I'm hoping that will push me out into the PU field
more
> >(I discussed this in a previous post where I wasnted to ditch HER as it
> >might help me in the long run).
>
> it WILL help you in the long run. you got the experience from being with
her,
> now go use that experience on more bitches IN REAL LIFE. having steady
pussy
> completely affects your style and decisions when you PU.
In a good or bad sense? I reckon it makes you care less whether you bag a
bitch or not, as you know you're gonna get some anyway. BUT, this could be
sensed by any new bitch and make you seem more attractive. So which is it?
: )
>
> >Her sex isn't that great, but it's sex from
> >a 9 so that makes it better - am I fucked up or what!?!
>
> no. as long as you know what really turns you on. some guys are turned
on by
> bodies, some by faces, some by sexy personalities, some by fame, some by
> fetishes...
>
> >I can get 7's or
> >minus (they come to ME in clubs and shit, or make it easier for me to
> >approach etc, I just dont coz I really couldn't PU a chick who I don't
find
> >find attractive) without much effort, it's just that I'm a FUSSY BASTARD
and
> >have this want for top quality LOOKING women, who I find a lot harder as
> >they're used to all the shit from guys who wanna fuck em, and they also
tend
> >to be a bit stuck up knowing they look good etc.
>
> that's the trade-off for having TASTE. everybody wants the girls you
want, so
> you have to be BETTER than them to land the bitches. read the materials.
>
I have to, believe me. I'm always out seeing the hot bitches being PU ed in
clubs etc. For the type of girl I'm after, I have to be the best, coz it's
just like you said, EVERYONE wants her, just like my ex (the hb 9). I have
this plan in my mind but I know it aint shit without action (like any plan)
so that's why I'm here.
> nobody but guys that are going strictly for numbers and guys that like the
pure
> physical sensation of sex wants to fuck a string of UGs in their sexual
careers
> :/
>
> >> she caught you dude. what she said was STATE-DEPENDENT and you fell
for
> >it.
> >> during the time that you were her sexual outlet, she felt FRIENDLY
towards
> >you.
> >
> >State dependent meaning that she was acting on her state of mind at the
time
> >of saying that shit? Is that right?
>
> right. her being your "friend" was based on her wanting you for sex...
whether
> she noticed it or not.
>
> I used to think I "liked" bitches I was fucking. as soon as I wasn't
> interested in them sexually anymore, I didn't give a fuck about them at
all.
> WHERE did the "liking" go? I never liked them in the first place. I
wanted to
> fuck them, and that made me act a certain way towards them that *I*
> misinterepreted as liking them. now I know differently and I am not
surprised
> when I get disinterested in a chick after fucking her. I am alson not
> surprised when I have feelings of "friendship" with bitches I don't even
know
> because it is the chemical effects of limerance :)
>
Huh? What the heck is limerance!?! Yeah, you can call me stupid...
> >> you like she did and breaking your agreement? then ask yourself if she
is
> >> intelligent enough to know this. if she is, then she did it on
purpose.
> >if
> >> she isn't, you might be able to enlighten her by telling her about it,
but
> >I
> >> don't think she gives a fuck and you will be feeding her ego to let her
> >know
> >> that you still care about her and want to make out with her after she
> >finishes
> >> swallowing her boyfriend's cum.
> >
> >Ha ha, this girl is naieve man, I SERIOUSLY doubt she has a clue...
>
> then you can probably get her dumb ass to get back with you then, while
she is
> still fucking and sucking her boyfriend... since you don't seem to care
about
> that :)
Man, I don't give a FUCK : ) She's not MY gf. As long as his cum literally
doesn't move from her mouth to mine, and he doesn't find out and try and
kick my ass (coz I'd have to murder him for trying), I really don't give a
shit!
>
> >> >I agree with that totally. I think this is a case of my mind sayiong
one
> >> >thing and my dick saying another
> >>
> >> I think that is completely accurate :) your MIND is telling you that
you
> >can
> >> do without her and your DICK is screaming for you to get her back
because
> >you
> >> are too lazy to go snag ANOTHER hot chick the same way you snagged this
> >one a
> >> long time ago.
> >
> >Congratulations Sex, that's exactly it man. You know how I got this
bitch? A
> >street walk up (we used to be at the same school though so we were
familiar
> >with what the other looked like) AND she had a bf at the time too! I
somehow
> >managed to get sexual with her and then she broke up with him and got
with
> >me. That was BEFORE I knew about ASF too, at the tender ass age of 17, ha
> >ha!
>
> now that you remember all those good feelings you had when you just walked
up
> to her and made her into your fuck-slut for a long time, just go out there
and
> do it again so you can get all those good feelings again... with a NEW
BITCH
> this time :)
>
> >Shit, I'm seeing how she's fuckin operates....
> >
> >Thank for the reply man, as always - I appreciate it.
> >
> >NG
>
> that's the whole point. see how she operates, then operate her :)
Excellent! Cheers dude...
NG
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