mASF post by "Cheezits"
posted on: USENet: alt.seduction.fast newsgroup, September 9, 1997(Now that you've probably forgotten what we were talking about...)
On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Anonymous wrote:
> Cheezits <che***s@ne***.com[ ? ]> wrote:
> >On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Anonymous wrote:
> >[etc.]
> >> > Especially considering that I am
> >> >only attracted to people I think of as intelligent and rational.
> >> It is my opinion, having read a lot of Ross' stuff, that to use it really
> >> well requires intelligence.
> >If so, it is a different kind of intelligence than what I had in mind.
> Or at least applied differently than you prefer.
I'm talking about mathematical/logical intelligence. I don't see how one
would apply that to speed seduction, unless he was trying to implement
the seduction algorithm. :-)
> >No, I'm going by what I've read here. I generally do *not* find men who
> >advocate speed seduction to be very interesting, in the sense that I would
> >consider them dating material
> Except for a few pranks by Lewiz I've never seen anyone really trying to do
> speed seduction on usenet. The ssers you're reading are not engaged in
> seduction.
It *doesn't matter*. The claim by these guys always seems to be that they
are such masters of seduction that if one of us met them in real life, we
would be totally blinded to their repulsive personalities and swept away
by their charm. If a guy isn't attractive when he's not trying to seduce
someone, then he's not attractive, period (to me, that is).
> This makes sense what with usenet being global and the chances
> of actually hooking up with a particular woman being rather remote.
> I, for example, spend far more time amusing myself getting people to hate
> me than I do getting them to love me. ;)
Well that's what some of us love about you. <smooch>
> > I suspect that getting laid isn't all that difficult for most
> >men, if that's what they really want.
> Depends what you're willing to settle for.
That's right. If you're willing to settle for meaningless one-night
stands, then it's easy to get laid.
> > Some guys probably just need
> >someone to give them permission to do so.
> Is that all? Hey niceguys! Listen up! Tokeman says you have permission! Go
> for it!
Wise guy! You know what I mean! Seems to me that some guys tend to look
at women as if they were some sort of unapproachable beings that they're
not even worthy to talk to. If Ross has anything positive to say to these
guys, it's that this attitude is wrong. Women are just people, same as
anyone else.
> >Let me put it this way - if Trygve thought he had good ideas, then I'm
> >inclined to disagree.
> OK, fine. But that's different than assuming that Tree was being 'generous.'
You never know, he might have been. Some of the other viewers were
considerably less complimentary.
> >> ss has no supernatural elements
> >Hardly a requirement for a group to be cult-like, or for the leader
> >thereof to use the same sort of logic to sell his wares.
> By that definition a great many commercial products are using cult like
> logic to sell their wares.
Which definition?
> >> Ross does not act like a cult leader
> >HA!
> Well, you showed me!
No, if I had I would have said "neener neener". Maybe it would be more
accurate to say that he acts like a con man, which is something that a lot
of cult leaders are. Although I think that the most successful cult
leaders are the ones who manage to con themselves.
[etc.]
> I believe that Ross has only a few things in common with cult leaders, and
> that those few things are pretty peripheral to what makes for a really
> successful cult.
Yeah, I doubt if any of you people are going to hole yourselves up in a
bunker and commit suicide. :-)
> >[etc.]
> >> >> How would you even be able to spot that the guy was using
> >> >> ss methods?
> >> That's because you haven't gone beyond his early newsletters.
> >Or his videos. I don't have any particular incentive to do an in-depth
> >study of the subject.
> Then you really can't know whether or not you could spot someone using his
> methods, can you?
Are you telling me that what he teaches is radically different from what
he talks about in the videos?
> >> >Wouldn't matter.
> >> So certain are you?
> >Yes, Yoda. :-)
> That is why you fail.
Fail what, o wise one?
> >If that's true, then good for him. No one ever said that Ross can't give
> >good advice on occasion. But it's possible that you mean something
> >different from what I have in mind.
> That is always a possibility barring direct mind-to-mind linking.
> But I believe you are talking about exactly the sort of thing Ross has been
> advocating recently.
Well, it seems to me that he usually talks about turning nearly every
conversation into something rather blatantly sexual. I'd rather hear
someone say that they find some activity interesting or stimulating
because it's fun, or something like that, rather than that it's like
falling in love or like great sex or something (at the risk of
misrepresenting his message; it's been a while since I've read the
newsletters).
> >> Which Ross also advocates. He says that women tell you how to seduce them
> >> if you just listen.
> >I wasn't talking about seduction per se, but rather about more platonic
> >aspects.
> Depends on which way you want to take it.
What if I just want to learn what the other person is interested in?
> >> This is Tokeman of Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
> >I haven't been yet. :-)
> We haven't met yet.
Ha! You haven't met ME yet!
> >> > You left out guys
> >> >who are looking for other things in a relationship, like getting married.
> Losers.
> Saps.
> Lemmings.
> Suckers.
Does this mean that you have nothing left except name-calling? I thought
you could do better than that. Or at have the sense to realize that there
are people who do *not* share your goals, who are not "losers", etc. What
about someone who gets married, because he met someone that he wanted to
spend his life with? For some strange reason, most of the guys I know are
either married or looking to get married. The married ones appear to be
happy in varying degrees, although I'll never know what really goes
through their minds. All losers, saps, lemmings and suckers, right?
> > Takes all kinds!
> To do what?
To keep the human race going?
Sue
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