mASF post by "TylerDurden"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, September 9, 2003Spanky wrote:
I'm being very greedy/arrogant here, but can you copy and paste it from the
mystery lounge for us? Hope you still catch this message...
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TD SAYS:
I am still demo'ing it live to the top community guys - something that
travelling has afforded me the opportunity to do - and trying to understand all
of the complexities. I'm going back to school soon and won't have time to post
if my workload is too heavy, but I'll post it once its better refined.
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Hoboken wrote:
1.What would you do if you are with a chick and she is not yet into you and a
AMOG upsurps you..would your tactics work then or is there another method?
2.What about guys that say nothing to you and then put there arm around the HB
you are sarging or hold her hand?
3.Does Ben do the same thing for anti AMOG?
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TD SAYS:
Thanks man. 1) At this point, my game is based around the assumption that all
girls I approach will be into me, unless I made an error. If they're not
though, I suppose I'd probably try to exploit the alphamale as something I
could use to convey higher value in front of the girl, and hope that she sticks
around to watch. 2) I'd say "wow, you guys are so cute.. you look like
brother and sister.." 3) As for Ben, one thing that's frustered me is that I
never get a chance to sarge with the guy. We're always split up in groups.
Same with Papa for the last few months. It sucks. They're my close friends,
but we never get to sarge together. My main wing right now is Sickboy007.
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Michael wrote:
In case it's not already
obvious, I just wanted to say
that if YOU "started up" with HIM and interrupted him with his HB(s) and so
thereby started the "attack"
on this AMOG, and if THEN he starts to
show that he will fight,
it would be risky as hell
to do the same tactic of
making fun of him, etc.
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TD SAYS:
Yeah totally man. For me though, I don't worry about that.
Papa pointed out to me that we look at a mixed gender set and analyze one of
two choices.
1) If they CAME with the set (they're there "together") then its *NEUTRALIZE*.
2) If they're just meeting them that night, then its *BLOW THEM OUT*.
So if the guys are with the girls, I cut them down, until THEY are chasing
rapport with ME. Then I make friends. But if they don't know the girls before
now, I just roll in and literally PLOW them with my better tonality
blitzkrieg-style. My tonality is specially geared towards cutting through
noise in clubs. I talk from the diaphragm, and it cuts over all other noise
while not appearing that I'm yelling. Girls are like deer in the headlight
around it, which is why I'm able to cut over all other talking. I find that
often while I'm gaming sets, girls from around the area will start coming over
to check me out, because they hear the voice cutting over everything, even
though it doesn't sound like I'm actually YELLING. They say weird shit like "I
like your voice".. It just sounds like I'm talking, but its cutting over all
music/talking/noise. I also have inflexions in my voice that I learned from
meeting the best guys, that come across playful and cut out the guys
immediately.
The key here is PATTERN BREAKING. For example, we all have patterns. If I go
to shake hands with you, but then I cut you off just as I'm about to shake it,
you'll be STUNNED for a second. This is a natural response.
So this goes for false opinion openers.. (pattern-breakers in '*'): "Hey
*guys*, I *need* a female opinion.. do *girls* think that the rockstar David
Bowie is hot? *short pause, not long enough for them to answer*, my friends
little sister just got a poster of David Bowie.. That is an OLD MAN.. he is
OLD.. *do YOU like old men???*
-"guys" breaks pattern of them being called "girls", and disarms
-"need" disarms asking permission.. rather than setting their brain on a "can I
get" train of thought, where her thought process has to DECIDE whether or not
to reply, you just say you "need" it, so she has to listen
-do "girls" think that, implies that you don't care what SHE in particular
thinks, and you are just using her as a SPECIMEN for a female opinion
-the short pause, just too short for her to answer, allows you to barrel
through and cut over all her thought processes and those of the guys.. she then
BACKWARDS RATIONALIZES that because she's been chatting you for 2 minutes, that
you're in a conversation, and doesn't resist it
-"do YOU like old men" is an accusation.. it gets her buying temperature up,
because you're accusing her of things, which conveys you as authoritative, and
gets her into a qualifying frame.
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IJJJI wrote:
You acknowledge him too much. IGNORE him until the HB you talk to start to
notice him. At this moment he will come off as TRYING to get into your set
(trying=beta).
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Thanks for the input man. Actually you and I are on the EXACT same wave length
here, but I failed to explain things thoroughly so good clarification. Check
over the part where I wrote to actually just not to talk to the alpha, to bait
him to keep talking to you. Where I wrote "just sit there and say nothing, or
even make "let's go" girl eye code.
What I do is use silence to blow the guy out. If he acknowledges ME while I
won't acknowledge HIM, he qualifies himself by still paying attention to me,
and is blown out.
As for acknowledging him too much, I actually DISREGARD the alphas until they
try to cut in. I de-value them by treating them like they don't exist, but if
they get in my way aggressively (which is what most of the post was referring
to, since its Europe out here), then I cut them down with the aforementioned
tactics.
Still man, very good clarification, because like with boyfriend destroyers
where guys will say "How do you get the boyfriend to come up in convo?", its
like "dude, this is TROUBLE SHOOTING.. preferably, you don't want it to come up
at all". The out-alpha stuff is for when its unavoidable - common out here in
Europe.
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IJJJI WROTE:
Okokok.. but TD, you left out the one AMOG that poses a real problem. Its the
one who goes straight up to the HB you are talking to and NEG her, while
totally ignoring you. What are you supposed to do if he gets HB's attention and
continue ignoring you??
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Haaa.. dude, you definetely do this stuff also.. Yes man, in Lester Square we
get these guys. The key is to go FURTHER than they do.. Good that you brought
this up also, I forgot about these, and they're common.
Examples:
AMOG: You know I already fucked these girls.
PUA: haa... oh man, I hope you doubled up! GROSS!
AMOG: hey guys..
PUA: Hey.. know how I know these girls.. I fucked them..
AMOG: haa.. then you got sloppy seconds buddy.. gross!
PUA: hahaha.. oh dude, you KNOW I doubled up on these girls.. hahaha
AMOG: look at these little brats (or whatever teasing or neg)
PUA: yeah man, these girls tried to fuck me all night..
AMOG: they tried to fuck YOU? hahha, these girls ARE sluts!
PUA: dude, you have NO CLUE.. these girls just did (whatever thing you can
MISINTERPRET)
THIS I LEARNED FROM CROATIAN BADBOY (IMO the best PUA in the scene in all
Europe, taught me this stuff.. he's not known on mASF, but well known in the
European scene and the Lounge.. He did post stuff here though on how he fucked
the "Miss Croatia" competition winners and other celebs he fucked, which you
guys may remember)
Look at the double binds Badboy is using here:
AMOG: hey look at these little brats (or whatever teasing)
BADBOY: hey man.. do you have a girlfriend?
either:
AMOG: yes..
BADBOY: girls.. what do you think of a guy who goes out and leaves his
girlfriend all alone.. is that nice?
HBS: nooooo...
or:
AMOG: no... (he now looks bad for having no girlfriend)
BADBOY: man, you have to be nice to girls.. you have to by them drinks and
flowers and call them 10 times a day.. girls, you like guys who treat you nice
right (they HAVE to say yes, even though they don't.. also, by saying it in a
way that makes nice guys sound LAME, he's highlighting that he's not like that,
but is TOOLING the AMOG all the while)
For guys who have less game:
AMOG: flowers/drinks/compliments/even just approaching
BADBOY: girls.. go to him.. he is nice.. he will buy you whatever you want, and
call TEN TIMES A DAY.. no no.. a HUNDRED TIMES A DAY.. he will WORSHIP YOU..
-TD
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