mASF post by "stevie_pua"
posted on: mASF forum: Field Reports Discussion, January 1, 2003On 1/17/03 7:56:00 AM, psychobabble wrote:
>On 1/17/03 6:05:00 AM, stevie_pua wrote:
>>Over the past year or so I
>>have seen my success rate in
>>attracting HBs skyrocket.
>
>That's great! What do you attribute
>this to?
>
>
Well, living the life of a PUA. Getting talkative, displaying personality more,
doing more approaches. Eating better, looking my best through watching what I
eat and drink.
>>Currently I am seeing the
>>following girls/have them
>>chasing me :- Two Chinese HBs
>>who I am banging, a very fit
>>ballet dancer with a jealous
>>ex-husband, a cute Portuguese
>>girl, a chick I met last week
>>in a 5 set, and now a HB I
>>picked up last night who is
>>VERY nice quality -maybe an
>>8.5
>>
>>I want to recount my picking
>>up of this hot chick last
>>night and explain how I did
>>it, what was going through my
>>mind and what techniques I
>>used. BTW I am finding many of
>>these techniques are working
>>for me consistently now and
>>are evolving into my own
>>style.
>
>I think this is a key that a lot of
>newbies miss.... that it is best in the
>long run to develop YOUR OWN style. I
>see a lot of ppl asking very specific
>questions about a particular canned
>opener or whatever and feel sorry for
>them as they are missing the 'big
>picture'.
>
>Agreed
>>
>>I was out with Rubber in a
>>nice wine bar. I had been
>>waiting quietly for him to
>>arrive, and was not warmed up.
>>When he arrived I knew that if
>>I wanted to get into a useful
>>PU state, I’d need to get
>>talkative, so I started
>>talking and talking.
>
>Do you think this 'talkative state' is
>valuable to you based on your style or
>is it something that you would recommend
>to most everyone based on your
>experience?
>
>
I think it is useful to everyone in the initial stages of opening. It helps put
her at her ease. It helps you circle through themes quickly while watching for
a theme she bites onto.
> I find
>>this energises my state and
>>allows me to sell myself
>>better. I make sure now to
>>always get warmed up and
>>talkative.
>>
>>Rubber and I got talking about
>>his doing bootcamp and not
>>listening to any AFC songs
>>anymore. We tried to think of
>>Elvis songs which have no AFC
>>lyrics. We came up with a few,
>>then as we talked, we spotted
>>2 HBs walk in and come stand
>>next to us at the bar. One was
>>the 8.5 (Jade) early twenties,
>>tall, long dark hair, good
>>body, and the other a cute HB
>>in her late 30s/early 40s.
>>Both were well dressed.
>>
>>Rubber launches into the theme
>>of Elvis, as we were talking
>>about him anyway. He said "Do
>>you know Elvis?". Now this
>>opened them up, but, as I told
>>Rubber later on in the night
>>when the sarge was over, you
>>need to sell yourself a little
>>when making that initial
>>opener.
>
>Could you provide a little more info on
>this if you are speaking of specifics or
>is it more in the way you carry
>yourself, such as mood, body language,
>energy, tone of voice, etc?
>
>It is all of these things, your verbal AND non-verbal communication should all
point to you being a fun guy who is bursting with fun and enthusiasm. When I do
it, it appears I just happen to be sharing it with her as she is nearby me.
Really though, I am working on my target or friend of the target.
>This is a realisation
>>that has proved correct over
>>the past year as I have
>>experimented with it.
>>
>>SELLING YOURSELF IN THE OPENER
>>If you are a HB in a bar or a
>>club, or anywhere really,
>>chances are you are going to
>>get opened a lot if you are
>>decent looking. These HBs get
>>lame AFC guys coming over to
>>them a lot and asking
>>questions like "Do you come
>>here often?"
>
>I've made this mistake many times in the
>past, thanks for the reminder.
>
>>
>>The result of your asking an
>>often heard question to her is
>>you get an often-accessed
>>autopilot response from the
>>HB. She thinks "another guy on
>>the make - no thanks". You can
>>avoid this by selling yourself
>>and making sure to use openers
>>which differentiate you from
>>the other guys she had been
>>approached by before. If you
>>are different in your opener
>>and sell yourself in a unique
>>way you fry her circuits
>>somewhat, put her autopilot on
>>hold, and that allows you to
>>gain access to leading her
>>into a state where she is
>>suggestible.
>
>This is a good breakdown of the process
>the chick goes through and valuable
>advice for anyone who has not fully
>internalized this as of yet.
>
>>
>>What happened last night was
>>Rubber opened with "Do you
>>know Elvis?". That is all he
>>said initially. He got away
>>with it, but for a couple of
>>seconds she looked at him and
>>was processing what to say in
>>response. He gave her a chance
>>to initiate autopilot, and
>>that is something we want to
>>avoid.
>>
>>I recommended to him later
>>that you KEEP GOING after your
>>initial opening words. If you
>>keep going you have the chance
>>to sell yourself to her before
>>the autopilot ever gets the
>>chance to rise to the surface.
>>If you keep going in your
>>opener and lead directly into
>>a linked theme and tell a
>>story or anecdote, then you
>>convey personality, show her
>>you are a safe and normal guy
>>to talk with, and start to use
>>other PU techniques on her.
>>
>>What Rubber could have done to
>>make his opener better was to
>>link his initial question to a
>>story/quotes in order to sell
>>himself. He could say "Do you
>>know Elvis? Because I was just
>>saying to my friend Steve that
>>in so many of his songs, Elvis
>>seems to be a victim, he
>>always seems to have his heart
>>broken by some girl, and we
>>were just trying to think of a
>>song where Elvis is not heart
>>broken. Now, I suggested Viva
>>Las Vegas, you know that one?
>>And Steve came up with
>>Jailhouse Rock, but you know
>>when you think about it, it’s
>>quite difficult to come up
>>with some"
>>
>>Don’t give her autopilot a
>>chance to emerge. Establish
>>yourself as someone cool, fun
>>and interesting to chat with.
>>Smile, laugh, kino. Once you
>>have done that, bring in other
>>PU techniques.
>>
>>CONVEYING PERSONALITY
>>Rubber got into the above
>>routine after a short time,
>>but he could have done better
>>by launching straight into it.
>>He did the Elvis Script.
>>During the Elvis Script I got
>>the impression that the
>>autopilot responses were
>>emerging again. They seemed to
>>be evaluating what he was
>>saying rather than letting go.
>>I had taken a step back from
>>it all, had shut up, and was
>>evaluating how well Rubber
>>could establish himself.
>
>I think this is great! You were giving
>him a chance to run with what he had and
>evaluating him in the process even
>though there was a change they could
>have blown you BOTH off. I think that
>this is what this community should be,
>guys helping each other out, so Kudos to
>you stevie!
It is how we learn. If Mystery and Style were there watching me, I'd love
having the feedback too. We are here to learn from each other.
>>
>>I think the HBs needed to see
>>more animation and getting in
>>state from Rubber. I think
>>Rubber had to genuinely convey
>>that it IS weird that Elvis
>>died his hair, and that so did
>>Prescilla. He said the words
>>fine, but I think he needed to
>>get more into the feeling
>>behind the script which would
>>allow him to infect the HBs
>>with a buoyant, upbeat mood.
>>You often only have a minute
>>or less to sell yourself to a
>>target and pretty quickly you
>>have to fascinate her or get
>>her feeling great or you risk
>>stalling out. I think that was
>>a slight danger here with
>>Rubber and the HBs. He was
>>doing ok but I don’t think he
>>was really lighting them up.
>>This reminds me of people who
>>have been to the Mystery
>>Method Workshop and have said
>>that when Mystery does the
>>Elvis Script he gets amazing
>>results and when they do it
>>they get average results -
>>using the exact same words.
>>Mystery lights them up using
>>his body language, facial
>>expressions and tonality.
>>
>>WINNING THEM OVER
>>I stepped in at this point as
>>I saw the risk of things
>>stalling out. Briefly what
>>happened was I began getting
>>them laughing, lighting them
>>up by getting in a
>>tremendously out-going, fun
>>state and conveying that state
>>to them through my body
>>language, facial expressions
>>and stories. I was very
>>enthusiastic in what I was
>>saying and immediately the HBs
>>were interested in talking
>>with me. I set a time frame on
>>the interaction and threw in
>>some social proof by saying we
>>didn’t have long to talk and
>>I’d have to go soon as I had
>>to meet another girl in the
>>bar next door.
>
>Nice tip, thanks.
>
>(Remember to
>>only do this once you have got
>>them interested).
>
>Thanks for this one too, seems obvious
>but the difference of doing it after
>they are interested seems critical.
>Thanks for pointing this out as a good
>reminder too me and general advice to
>all on the board.
>
Yes it is a good tip.
> This is a
>>psychological takeaway of
>>sorts as you imply you are
>>going to deny the HBs a
>>continuing of something they
>>are enjoying. It also
>>increases your value.
>>
>>After about 15 minutes of
>>working on these HBs I could
>>see they were interested. It
>>was time to go and meet the
>>girl (I really had arranged to
>>meet another HB - the one from
>>the 5 set last week).
>>
>>My one mistake here was not to
>>close the HB for a number.
>
>I like that you posted what you
>perceived as a mistake in this FR as
>well, it demonstrates that you review
>your sarges and look for mistakes or
>things you could have done
>differently/better. Is this the main
>way that your success has dramatically
>improved over the past year? Lots of
>approaching and reviewing your sarges
>afterward? Are there other things you
>have done to improve your game so
>dramatically? Pointers or tips would be
>appreciated.
>
Yes reviewing has been helpful. I review on ASF with you guys and I review in
my seduction journal at home. I listen to my sarge recordings and phone calls
at home too.
> I
>>am pretty sure I could have
>>got it. As it turns out, the
>>HBs came to bar next door and
>>found us a little later.
>>
>>CLOSING
>>After going to another bar
>>with Rubber, and opening a
>>tough 5 set (3 guys and 2
>>girls) purely for practice
>>(BTW I managed it but had to
>>cycle through tons of themes
>>until I got a bite from the
>>one guy in the group who I
>>could see was not won over in
>>the initial themes), we
>>returned to the "next door
>>bar" and guess who was there
>>waiting to see us? You guessed
>>it …. The 8.5 HB and the other
>>HB (who it turns out is her
>>MOTHER!!!! MILF, oh yes!).
>>
>>I went to work on Jade 8.5
>>while Rubber went to work on
>>the MILF. I patterned Jade
>>using ideal man and she DDBed.
>>She said she had never met
>>anyone like me before. I upped
>>the kino and closed her for a
>>number, got it very easily,
>>kissed both HBs goodnight and
>>left.
>>
>>I wish I’d been able to record
>>it, but that peacocking shirt
>>I was wearing is too damn
>>tight and thin to hide a mic
>>underneath it properly.
>>
>>All in all, a great pick up
>>with a pretty hot HB.
>>
>
>Nice post stevie, keep them coming. I
>like reading your stuff.
>
Welcome.
>psychobabble
>
>
>>"You and me baby ain't nothing
>>but mammals..."
>>
>>Stevie PUA
>>
>>"I'D APPRECIATE INPUT"
"You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals..."
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