mASF post by "Tommy W"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, March 3, 2004Awesome post! I never posted about the huge transitions a PUA goes through at
certain points, and i don't think i've read anything similar to this post, but
hopefully all can get some good feedback from this reply.
On 3/19/04 3:38:00 AM, Nilatak wrote:
>
>Me and my wing haveing been
>trying out some of Tommy W
>style. Basically I visited
>him and I incorporated alot of
>his stuff into my style...the
>thing is now I have lost alot
>of my old style bc I feel I
>have to be too rigid to the
>rules.
Maybe i'm reading this wrong, but if the new style is better than the old,
ditch the old style (and vise versa). I would do the same if i were in this
scenario - go with which one works best and improve on it... of course if you
are calibrating the style b/c you know it will work better for you in the long
run, STICK TO IT.
BTW, this post is already money, and i know you don't post often, but if you
could post about the shit that i think you are really good at (logistics and
amping her up through kino) that would be awesome. You have a lot of knowledge
on this shit that no one posts about.
>Ok so me and my wing peacock.
>I go goth with these fucking
>crazy platform steal toed
>boots and bondage pants. He
>wears sun glasses and has loop
>earings and also wears
>transparent shirts. I look
>like goth/rocker, he looks
>like the Miami party guys who
>knows where all the hot spots
>are.
Different styles are important when peacocking and winging.
>We roll in the club not
>looking at anyone. Like we
>are too fucking cool, we look
>the part, we are both around
>8-8.5s already, without the
>peacocking.
I thought you were a 9+ when i met you. One thing that i would recommend for
everyone is to find out what people give you on your natural looks. This is
really important b/c you could think differently AND this will cue you into why
the social dynamic is running a certain way. For example, you might be blowing
out a HB9 when you think that you are getting blown out yourself.<--- see how
these are complete opposites.
>We just shoot the
>shit and vibe cause I don't
>see him every day. So we just
>do alpha body language (feet
>half meter apart, don't look
>around at all even if fights
>break out, don't make eye
>contact with anyone, just
>laugh and talk to each other).
>Now the intresting parts.
Not looking around is KEY KEY KEY. Many people who begin don't know what is
happening UNLESS they look around. Good PUAs have their perifrial vision down
PAT. It took awhile for me, but it happened. 2 things that come to mind that
really help to be good at when you are a good PUA: 1- perifrial vision, 2-
reading body language. Girls actually use both of these, but just the fact
that i'm better than them at both puts me at an advantage in the dynamic...
plus you just look cool as shit - LOL
>Girls shoot us IOIs and AIs
>like crazy. Even girls with
>boyfriends, some look us up
>and down the way guys do to
>girls. Crazy shit!!! They
>will talk about my boots just
>yards away.
>
>When we roll in
>ignoring the hotties, they
>project their voices and get
>betas to do all kinds of shit
>for them.
Interesting. Now that you mention it, i've seen a lot of the similar shit, i
just didn't notice that they were tring to impress us. I've also experienced
girls bossing around other girls (like being REALLY dominant over them) and
expecting that to impress me. Who knows... maybe it is suppose to up their
value a lot (b/c dominance is the one personality factor that adds the greatest
to someones value), but i didn't find anything sexy about it. Nice read of the
dynamic.
>We get dissed by
>some alphas with "dude are
>they gay?",
Replace "dissed" with "tested".
>but we just ignore
>any comments. Like Tyler
>says, "the seas part." I also
>walk like hot babes. If you
>see them walk through a crowd
>they never turn their bodies
>to walk sideways, they walk
>straight. I know they are
>smaller than guys, but big ass
>guys will twist to let them
>through, I don't really do
>that. I just walk straight
>and sometimes I bump into
>girls. If they twisted like
>guys that wouldn't happend,
>but they just expect since I'm
>a guy I will bend for them (no
>lectures on how to be a
>gentleman please ; ) I look
>past hot babes and I know now
>how good a HBs pariferal
>vision is. I've only been
>doing this for 2 weeks and I'm
>good, imagine a HB who's had
>20 years experience. They
>can see you pick your nose 10
>yards away and you'll think
>they are just ordering a
>drink.
Funny that you mention that; i actually pick my nose all the time without even
thinking about it. I think i did it in 2 different sets during my day game
today.
About walking past people: NO ONE FUCKING REALIZES THIS!! It's insane, but
you are subcommunicating that your value is higher than theirs. The best way i
can describe it is that you are giving people PAIMAIs by being really close to
them (which alerts them to your presence b/c they can actually FEEL your
presence), so they move out of your way. Also another aspect is "what is
actually going on in the dynamic". So lets say that you walk through someone
and they view it as rude. Consciously, they'll think "who the HELL is this
guy?!?!", and then they'll be thinking about you the whole night...// In the
dynamic (social dynamics) they're actually paying attention to you now that you
treated them like dirt AND they're in YOUR reality b/c of it.
One thing that i've learned is that realities can SHIFT b/t people. This is
what neg theory is suppose to do. I usually don't use neg theory (which uses
words to SHIFT the reality to your side) b/c i'll use my BL and mindset to do
the same.
My god, i could post about this forever, but ... onward, cause i got some
clubbin to do later.
>My main point is that
>people are subcommunicating
>"LOOK AT US!" I did this shit
>just to experiment, but now
>I'm stuck in it and need help
>getting my old self back. I
>feel lost in this new style.
I know you picked this up from me, but it just needs some calibration... and
something that i'll later reply about, in this post, is how you were
overqualified b/c of your peacocking gear.
>Some of the shit that happens;
>
>-Girls gravitate towards us
>when we are in a wide open
>area, like a whole group will
>come over three feet away. (We
>are just facing each other
>completely).
If you and your wing are really alpha, your aura/subcommunicated-power will
actually magnify and be greater than if you were alone.
>-While at the bar ordering a
>drink a girl hits me
>"accidently" with her purse.
>I ignore it and she does it
>harder. I ignore it again and
>she opens me with "The
>bartender is getting my order
>first." I just replied with
>"That bastard" with sly smile
>on face. He came to me and
>when she wanted a drink he put
>his hand in her face telling
>her to wait. She was blown
>out and left pissed.
Yeah, the only thing that i would have done differently is to give an
open-ended response. Like i've structured my response to always be a full
sentence (i'm usually interested and passionate about what i'm saying as well,
which of course adds to the _state matching_).
BTW- everyone can try this: try saying regular things but be _passionate_ about
what you are saying. For example, don't say, "yeah, it's pretty cold outside",
instead say "WOW!...it is fucking _chilly_! I was walking over here and
thought that a blizzard was going to come and blow me off course!"
LOL- and SSers can use "BLOW ME"
BTW- SS is a great tool to have in your skillset, but alone it is pretty
worthless. If you add it onto everything else, you'll be rocking HARD CORE
$!$!$$$*$*$*$FEM-STYLE$!$##!@!!$
>-Girls will open me on my
>shoes, clothes, nails, and
>neck chain saying how cool
>they are or how gay it is.
Yup. When girls approach, they'll either say a shit-test or a compliment.
>-Girls will bump me or my wing
>like they are being pushed or
>something even though there is
>plenty of space.
This is NOT a shit-test, in case someone is thinking that it is. This is to
get your attention, and it means that they are interested IOI/AI (whichever it
is, the terms are fucked up).
>-I stand still on dancefloor
>with my usually body language
>and HB comes and grinds on me.
>I go with it then guy comes
>and I blow him out with "Is
>that your jelous boyfriend."
Nice. Getting him when he's _approaching_ is KEY KEY KEY.
>Then I see her fat friend is
>not getting attention so I
>tell her I should not let her
>friend be left out so I go
>dance with her. Immediately
>both girls leave.
Yeah, b/c 2 things this subcommunicated: 1- you suplicated (which was not
congruent with your rockstar image), and 2- you gave something to her without
her earning it.
>( This
>showed I was not the high
>value she thought cause I
>danced with her fat friend,
>subcommunication of course).
>
>Now, it's like we roll in like
>fucking rock stars. Then we
>act really down to earth,
>friendly but not suplicative,
>yet it's not yeilding any
>results. I have lost the
>fluidity of some of my old
>stuff. Now this shit is
>powerful, bouncers move out of
>our way, when guys talk to us
>they figit and talk fast and
>it's weird to see.
You are too high of value. It feels good at first, and it's interesting to see
what's going on, but you can't really sarge with this. Chances are that you
are wearing too much peacocking gear. This is VERY similar to when i posted
about overqualifing (like this is the same shit). Here's what i've found: If
you peacock too much, your value will be enough to get AIs and IOIs and
approaches from really hot girls (if you are congruent and you are passing
tests), but your gap for error in a sarge is FUCKING SMALL. Like if you do one
thing wrong, you'll blow them out (1 c&f line, 1 bust, even periods of silence
in the conversation). I won't lie, it was fun to try out, i had SHBs give me
IOIs 1 ft away and i even had a 9.5 try to pick me up (no shit, this girl came
in and started to run game on me! Too CUTE!).
What i've also noticed is that the better at the game you become, the more
peacocking you can get away with. It's not so much congruence as it is that
girls want to get to know you without all the gear, and your range actually
gets wider. Kinda hard to explain, but my take is that you might be able to
peacock just as much later on when your skills and persona have gone up from
field experience, but in the meantime, it can hinder your game and there's no
point in doing it b/c (once again) the gap for error in a sarge is FUCKING
MINIMAL.
>Girls are
>ok with us, but they are not
>that open to our game. We
>also don't open unless someone
>passes by us (this is to stay
>congruent).
>I think our value may be too
>high and I also feel kind of
>robotic doing this. It's hard
>to never look, but I almost
>never do. This is beyond
>alpha, it's super alpha. I
>think most people are
>wondering "Did they come from
>Holywood or the mothership?"
Remember that they can consciously think whatever the hell they want to, but
it's all about what is going on in the dynamic b/c that will ALWAYS be the same
according to certain instances.
>Also what are your opinions on
>my wing taking off the shades?
>Should he do it at all? Or a
>certain time into the sarge?
>He is breaking rapport by
>wearing them, but then again
>it goes with his image.
I don't remember this in your post, but if you are already peacocked, the
shades should not be on. You're already higher value AND you're breaking
rapport with everyone. Actually one of the things that i do during daytime
sarges (if i have shades over my eyes) is to remove the shades at the beginning
of my opener. This is slightly different during daytime, but basically she can
wear the shades while in conversation and all it will do is effect how much
rapport _I_ feel with _her_. But if i'm wearing my shades during the sarge,
then it affects how much rapport _she_ feels with _me_. So it's basically
swimming against the current and not worth wearing the glasses. If you are
wearing shades, remove them as soon as you are in conversation - consider it a
subtlety in your game.
>I feel
>like alot of guys are
>intimidated by us, I like the
>power, but if we roll up on
>girls they will talk to us
>cause we have higher value,
>but they will leave soon
>after. I feel that us walking
>up to sets is not congruent to
>the way we roll in.
Yup, you can't really do approaches on sets. I had to have Sir Lancelot
actually do accomplishment intros to the sets, to give me an excuse to get IN
with them - LOL. I love this Game!!
>Any set
>that has approached us we
>rewararded by being really
>down to earth and qualifying,
>I mean if they approached they
>were attracted, right? Yet
>they leave after they make the
>compliment. I've acted aloof
>when girls rolled up but that
>just made them think I'm a
>jerk. I need some opinions.
>Tyler's would especially be
>helpful cause I know he deals
>with shit like this. Before
>this I had a more direct game,
>but not nearly as many AIs or
>IOIs. Now it's like I'm a
>movie star, but noone wants to
>be around too long.
>
>
>"She wants my cock...it's all
>in the eyes chico."
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Nice post, here's some replies to other poster replies:
Scoob: Nilatak is pretty congruent with his gear. It's just based on more
field experience and that's what i've come to find through experience myself.
Hedge: Your gap for error is soooo fucking small, it's a joke. Even the best
PUAs make mistakes all the time, but there is no room for that when you are
super peacocked, so it's actually a waste of time to pursue this (believe me,
i've had similar thoughts awhile ago... NO DOUBT, it would be KICK ASS!)...
btw, YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!
Lowrider 04: You don't know what you are talking about, simply put. If you
haven't tried it, don't knock it. I remember i demonstrated this to Nilatak
and Sir Lancelot when we were out together (walking through crowds and not
supplicating by moving out of the way), and they didn't get it until i
explained, but terms like "rude" are just what society places on acts that are
out of the norm that make you stick out. Remember that using common social
courtesies take away from attraction.
FUCK this post is long... gtg
-Tommy
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