mASF post by "ancestor"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, March 3, 2005intlzncster wrote:
>>I NEVER believed in the statement "you have to adapt your seduction to
>
> your victim". No!
>
> Cool, I hope that works for you.
So far yes.
>
>>That's impossible unless you can completely transform YOURSELF into another
>>personality.
>
>
> The point is not to change who you are, or to completely transform yourself
> for every individual. The point is to read small social cues (calibrate)
> and pinpoint your attack based on your reading of that communication. Dude,
> you calibrate all the time in your day to day life.
Hmmm... Yes I do at some point. But not that much. When I was taking the
Jung personalilty test I was mostly red and just a bit of green. Green
being the softer being nice to people side. I am also more of a feeler
and intuiter than a logical thinking guy.
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>>IE. You are a bad boy and you all of a sudden want to do suplicative
>>approaches using seductive techniques -> this means you have to drop your
>>alphaness and cockyness and become a supplicant lover.
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> No you don't be supplicative how you mean it here. Calibration has nothing
> to do with changing who you are. It's more about recognizing social
> patterns and types. And you can adjust to the information you receive on
> the fly. I do know several quote/unquote badboys who "soften up" their
> communication when dealing with really nice sweet girls. These girls are
> drawn to the badboy's vulnerable side (well actually, all women are, but the
> sweet ones even more so). Where he might act a little more hardcore with a
> biker chick, he'll be more vulnerable with a sweet girl. It justs makes
> sense.
For me seduction is supplication. And it's completely ok to do it as a
tactic if it fits your personality (dominant/supplicant lover). For me
calibration is a form of supplication. I calibrate more in the sense of
seing if I went too far with a specific tactic and she goes a bit
self-conscious or if I put her on the right emotional level and can
escalate to the next phase. But since I don't wait for certain signals
to start kino, to start play-fighting, it comes out of me and I am the
source of this emotion, she merely follows or stays where she is. If she
stays where she is it means I have more work to do and I better go work
on the next one in the meantime. Doing calibration is equal to being
sensitive.
I calibrate in on/off switches and try not to worry to much what will
happen as long as we are having fun in the exchange.
For example imagine the guy that just says hi and puts his arm around
her waist. He already calibrated by knowing she is hot for him. If she
stops him he gets a CLEAR signal that she is not interested. However
even then he can persist and still melt her heart by merely hanging
around her (like a supplicant seducer) or he could next her and sarge
ten more chicks in the room and let her watch.
At no time am I supplicating my persona to anyone. I do not become
someone else since I am my attractive self. Girls calibrate to me, they
follow me and I gladly lead them where I want them to go on an emotional
level.
> Anyone who is inflexible in how they come across to others, is not a good
> PUA. These guys are stiff or rigid. They are not nearly as dynamic as
> flexible guys IMO. You are telling me you would take the exact same tack
> with a biker chick, a professional athlete, a body builder, a school girl,
> an extreme sport chick, a teacher, a librarian, a flakey chick, a hippy
> chick, a wise ass, a lawyer, a CEO, a SUB, a DOM, a playboy playmate, a low
> self esteem chick, a high self esteem chick, Miss Universe, Paris Hilton,
> etc.........? Nah, you need take different angles on these girls.
I used C&F on waitresses, university professors, medical doctors,
teenagers, club hostesses, store clerks, psychiatrists, old, young etc...
And yeah it works very well since you *BAM* skip the bullshit and you're
talking to her inner child right there and then.
>>Yeah I agree that you would have to change your PERSONA, but don't tell me
>>that you can do this in-game.
>>It will reak of insincerity. Also I just don't think it's possible.
>
>
> No, not changing your persona. Just choosing to show a different side of
> yourself. Everyone is multifaceted, and you can choose to display any side
> of yourself that you desire at any given moment. It is not difficult, nor
> is it insincere. After all, it's still YOU on some level.
Ok this is true. Everyone is a mix of everything.
> It's normal human communication. I do it all the time, it's a natural
> process for me. Whenever you successfully relate to a new/different person,
> you are calibrating on some level. I guess I'm not sure what you are
> getting at here.
I am saying it is quite hard to change who you are (your attractive
self) to win some immediate (kiss-ass) points with someone you don't know.
For me calibration does not exist at a conscious level more than you can
feel the interaction went somewhere but then it's too late anyway since
you are already having that feeling. It's an on/off switch that can cure
symptoms of an interaction at best.
>>I have to this point not seen any evidence of actual calibration going on
>>either. Can someone explain what calibration is at all?
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>
> From The One:
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> Calibration can help you size up a human being, MALE or FEMALE.
>
> [Calibration is the method by which you:]
> What their background is,
> why they think the way they do,
> what motivates them,
> what their self-image is,
> what their identity is,
> how they view their environment,
> What their needs are,
> what they emotionally respond to,
I have a limited set of emotional manipulation tools and if they don't
work it means I would have to evoke them in another way which would take
me too much energy.
> Where in life they are,
For me that is extremely cerebral and I actually don't give a flying
fuck about how she views herself. This is being a male girlfriend to a
girl. Playing therapist is not too far.
> What sort of a emotional state are they in at that VERY Moment,
Yes. That's what I look for or feel for.
> From Harmless:
>
> For me, calibration is not a logical, "put the girl under
> the microscope" scientific thing. It's simply me being open and
> receptive and
> picking up on the state she's in through body language, eye contact, her
> tonality, what she says, etc, etc, etc.
OK this I can relate to. When she comes into a certain emotional state
she will give cues about it.
> Calibration is a mostly unconscious process of pattern recognition. In
> other
> words, in the back of my mind I'm observing what's happening in the
> interaction
> and correlating this with previous experiences and relating what she's
> doing to
> things I associate through those experiences with different states.
I couldn't agree more, just that in me I get feelings from the calibration.
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