mASF post by "Vega"
posted on: mASF forum: Reviews Discussion, March 3, 2005WR: BadBoy Workshop Review March 10 – 13 th with 1 x 1
Now With Actual Action Packed Quotes From Workshop!
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EPISODE IV . . . . . A New Hope
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After a long and harrowing journey through life, our young padawan, Vega
decides it is time to finally meet the legendary BadBoy and improve his game.
Here is how the story goes . . .
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Background
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I discovered SS in 2001 and lost interest in it. I later discovered DYD, and
tried it even though I felt like I was essentially being a jerk. However I did
get some numbers and day 2’s using the material. Then I learned material from
ASF, Mystery, and Tyler Durden / RSD. Mystery’s stuff helped me out
significantly. Very soon afterwards I discovered the Shark CD and BB forum,
and I’ve been a believer ever since.
Meeting BadBoy and taking the workshop had become an important goal of sorts;
almost close to what one would call making a dream come true. I had heard much
about him, and had talked to many of his students online and in person. After
meeting one particular student and noting his personality traits and his
personality change, I was convinced. Alas, it would take me 6 months of
patient waiting before I could take the workshop. And even then I almost did
the workshop on a less than shoe string budget until mysteriously good fortune
saw to it that I would somehow receive a large sum of money at the last minute.
I was determined to make this happen no matter what, particularly because I
like challenges of making what others call impossible, well . . . possible.
Would the workshop live up to its reputation? Would I survive England? Read
on and find out!
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Day 1
“Hands on a table!”
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Plus!
+++++Very Special Workshop Guest Instructor: Dumas Pere +++++
I was pretty nervous the first day. I was in a different country, and am
typically nervous when I travel, even though I know it’s all in my head. When
I met another competitor a year ago to do a seminar, I was real nervous, and in
fact somewhat sick to my stomach. But BB, just like his competitor both put me
at ease very quickly and I became relaxed.
We met at a Starbucks before heading out to a previous student’s home where we
proceeded to engage in exercises, and where BB shared with us some of his views
on life, PU, and introduced us to some very basic theory.
We got to know each other and BB asked us what we wanted out of PU, and what
sticking points we had.
He lectured very briefly and emphasized the importance of being a man, and
being alpha before going into exercises and simulations
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Day 1 Evening
“Pussy Designer!”
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During dinner BB made it emphatic that our problems were now his problems and
not to worry
Now, the majority of the workshop, or rather training, consisted of several
exercises. When a student made a mistake, BB and Dumas Pere made sure the
student went through the exercises to make sure they got it right.
After a few hours, we soon went out to dinner, and immediately BB was pushing
us into sets in the restaurant!
The first thing BB did, was he had me approach a seated 2 set, and I stayed in
set with them for the longest time. Eventually one of the waiters asked BB to
ask me to leave them so girls could eat, and BB replied “No. Those girls like
to get laid. Trust me.” It threw the waiter off for a while and soon BB asked
me to rejoin them, and I number closed one of the girls. Plus I had forgotten
about my food, which I left behind, as BB had directed me into set in the
middle of dinner.
We went to Leicester’s Square after this. And BB and Dumas had us approaching
girls in the station and on the subway car itself.
I was a little nervous, but it was fun.
Later we split up and some of us went to Yates, and others to Metra. The first
set I opened at Yates went real well. I did a variety of approaches. I did
well with a few sets, and the rest were just learning experiences. Each time
Dumas Pere told me what I could have done better.
Then I went to Metra to meet up with BB. This club wasn’t the most happening
club that night. He pushed me into a few sets. Not nearly as when I was at
Yates, since Metra wasn’t all that packed.
We then went to McDonald’s. This was real fun! We did seated sets, and it was
amazing how well some of the guys were doing. I know some of them were amazed
at their own progress.
Through out the whole evening in the middle of sets, BB and Crew gave us the
silliest topics to talk about and would mention them to us while we in the
middle of sets. He would even send us to AMOG each other. Too funny. AMOG’s
don’t exist. That was a surprising lesson I learned today. They just don’t.
OK, if you’re still skeptical, I’ll put it to you this way: Girl’s don’t
believe AMOG’s exist. Why? Because they’re so into you that anything any one
says to deter them doesn’t click with them. Out of the entire weekend, I can
say only one student was “successfully” AMOG’d (successful is a bit of a
subjective judgement if you saw how the set was being run) , and he was ONLY
“AMOG’d” once. That student was yours truly.
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Day 2
“European Union, is such a wonderful thing. Imagine all these people living
under one united continent . . . “
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This day we did more exercises. We did exercises specifically for rapport. We
also did a few more simulations. I loved doing the exercises and simulations
during the workshop because it allowed me to think outside the box a lot and be
as creative as I wanted to be. For one simulation I was playing a female some
guy was supposed to game, and I was so good at being bitchy, BB had me bitch
out the students during the simulations (I make a good bitch!) I don’t
remember if it was today, or the day before, but we also worked on developing
good tonality. This is crucial!
BB pointed out that that the ONLY difference between him and us was in our
heads.
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Day 2
Evening / In-Field
“My boss wants to talk to you.”
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+++++ And Special Guest Instructor Appearance By . . . Jolly PUA ! +++++
We ate at Tiger Tiger (Great place to go eat and go clubbing if you’re ever in
London).
We did plenty of approaches on the subway before we arrived. One memorable set
I ran, was a couple. In fact I didn’t even know it was a couple. BB pointed a
blonde right behind him and told me to open her direct.
I sure enough did and she was into me. She was smiling, and biting her lip as
I kept talking to her, she was into me. It went well and then she ejects
because she has to get off at her stop, and with her walks this guy. BB high
fives me (by this point we were becoming high five junkies, we must of looked
like old friends from high school!) And every one points out to me that the
guy next to her was her boyfriend but that he was so much of a pussy that he
didn’t say anything.
When we were at Tiger Tiger, BB of course pushed some of us into sets even
whilst in the middle of dinner (oops I mean “while” - I picked up a bit of a
British accent while I was there!)
The first set I did went fucking awesome! The girl even saw BB making hand
signals to me, and sticking his tongue out at her and making kid faces and she
didn’t care. The only thing was I didn’t know how to kiss close her and make
it look congruent. After I ejected, BB stated to me what was obvious “The girl
was so into you, you were SO close to a kiss close.” I tell him” I wish I knew
how.” He said “Don’t worry. We teach that on next day of workshop.”
This girl was hot! Oh well. Live and learn. I did several more sets, each one
to varying degrees.
Another set I did well was with this beautiful older blonde British woman. I
eventually kiss closed her before she left. No problem whatsoever. She was
hesistant for a number close but she did give me her e-mail. This confirmed
something that I had suspected I was having some difficulty with: rapport. By
the end of the evening I figured this out. No problem. It’s small stuff and
should be easy to take care of with enough practice.
The other guys were doing well. I was especially proud of them. Funny story.
Two guys ended up making out with the same girl and didn’t even know about it
until later since they both gamed her up during different parts of the evening
O_O How can a girl resist a guy with good game?
The game is too fucking easy! Let me repeat that again for the skeptics . . .
THE GAME IS TOO EASY.
Jolly PUA of course was with us and helped out the whole time and was providing
feedback along with BB, and Dumas Pere.
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Day 3
“Every day is gift.”
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Again we met at Starbucks and did exercises.
Today I reminded BB to teach us about kiss closing. Now, I don’t know about
the competition’s workshops, but on this workshop we do not kiss each other!
First thing we cover today, just like we did the day before, and the first day,
BB asked us about our sticking points.
By this day I was starting to feel different. I wasn’t nearly as nervous as I
was the first day. And I certainly wasn’t feeling the way I used to. I
started to get different glimpses / insights about life. Plus for the past two
nights I had been having fucking fantastic dreams, which occur to me rarely.
Like, until this weekend I had only had 2 really good dreams before in my
entire life. I take this as a good omen. Plus before I would go to bed, I
would hear BB’s voice in my head loud and clear as if he was in the room saying
things like “Don’t be excuser, be animal! Go!” The last time something like
that had happened, I was at a Richard Bandler seminar. My outlook on life was
starting to change.
Finally, we went over dressing styles, and BB talked about lifestyle, and
things not PU related we could to do improve our game and our life (Super
important note!: Be careful about peacocking in Croatia as Croatians hate
anyone they think is gay! Lots of angry skinheads who want to kick gay guys
asses – just ask BB about what happened at the very first ever gay parade in
Zagreb . . . more like target practice!). He also talked about dating and
relationships, and how girls very much want a real man but often times settle
for second or third best. I understand now that it is part of BB’s intention
to help us not only become better people ourselves, but to also be able to live
fulfilling lives, and fulfill the lives of girls who dream of, but sadly will
rarely come across, guys like us.
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Day 3 Evening
“This guy is on a workshop to seduce women . . . don’t trust him.”
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During the evening hours I elected to go with BB and do street game. He showed
us how to effectively stop girls. I don’t remember much else. We went to
McDonalds (our typical late night hang out before ending for the day!).
Of course he pointed to us to do seated sets, and he even had me chase one girl
down from the middle of McDonald’s to the que (oops speaking british again.
Que = Line in front of register or club in Ameri-speak).
We had soooo much fun. I think this was also the day that one workshop student
approached a seated set of strippers who kept telling him to fuck off. I mean
every other sentence out of their mouth sounded like this . . . ahem “Fuck off!
No really . . . FUCK OFF loser!” Of course the security guards at Mickey D’s
didn’t care. He kept plowing through and then after they left they came back
and kept telling him to fuck off! Hahahaha!
One very notable set this evening was run by a guy on WS who got a girl to
actually hang up her cell phone. His opener? “Hang up.” In seconds he
received IOI’s and was doing great.
(To throw in another quote “You look like that guy from Ocean’s 11.” “No I’m
not that guy I swear!” “Don’t tell me you can’t get laid! I mean you’re
famous“ “No! You have me mistaken for someone else promise!”)
Another competitor’s student was there and asked us “So is the WS worth it? Is
it good?” At that moment our cell phone interrupting friend was walking out
the door leading his target and we pointed to him to answer the question posed
by another competitor’s student.
I was so proud of my cell phone interrupting friend as I was afraid he was one
of the students who would be having the most difficulty. Nonetheless, he
astounded me the entire weekend with his success.
(Note: For all you McDonald’s employees reading this! McDonald’s is a great
place to do game!)
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Day 4
One on One with BB and Crew
“Warning: Professional Pick Up Artists Operate in and around the premises . .
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This was a great day. We met up at another Starbucks and were immediately
thrust into doing seated sets.
Jolly PUA and I were working together for a good deal of the day. I love this
guy, he’s got great energy, and he lives up to his handle because his handle
describes him perfectly.
For some reason I sometimes feel pressure to sarge when I am around people in
the community, so I told Jolly just to kick back and let me pick my own sets at
the store and watch from a distance, which he did.
Now there’s this one great set I ran today at this big department store. I
approached this girl and right off the bat it went well. It turns out she’s an
international professional buyer (meaning: companies pay her to travel the
world, buy products at certain stores, and rate the performance and service
provided by the staff . . . plus she gets to keep everything she buys – what a
nice life! Getting paid to travel the world and go shopping? Somebody pinch
me!).
ANYWAYS, back to my story, I kino’d, I built rapport. She kino’d me. A sweet
and attractive older lady, in her early 30’s if not younger (I am starting to
notice an effect I have older women! Children in preschool reading this
beware! Hide your mommies away from me!)
It was going well, and then everyone was leaving so I ejected but not before I
e-mailed closed (We will meet in New York soon!) and surprised her with a
standard Italian double cheek-to-cheek good bye. BB later posted on the forum
that fclose would have been easy.
After that, I then hung out with BB and another student and we had lunch and
chit chatted.
After lunch Jolly and I took off. For some reason, a bit of the excuser in me
was coming back and only approached probably most of the sets Jolly pointed out
to me. We did outdoor street / daytime game. And then we went to this
entertainment center type place where there were a lot of couples playing
arcade games, billiards, bowling, etc, etc. I wanted a challenge so we went
in. I ended up gaming anyone but couples. Oh well no big deal. My sets were
so so. I could open up OK, but rapport and holding the set for a while was a
little bit difficult. However, Jolly PUA kept encouraging me. He pointed out
what I did well, and what I needed to improve and he did it in a way made me
feel at ease with myself.
Soon we met up again at Starbucks and I did a couple more sets before the
workshop officially ended.
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Rest of My Time In England
“You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to pick up chicks at McDonalds!”
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After that I ended up hanging out with Dumas Pere even though the workshop was
over. Dumas Pere and I chatted, and also ran a few sets too. More than
anything else we were having a fantastic time and also happened to be running
sets.
And then the next day, Dumas Pere and I hung out again and still ran a few
sets. We talked a good deal about life and our interests in general. We had
an excellent time and talked about game some more. Pretty much we developed a
great deal of rapport and ran sets, but not with the frequency of workshop.
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Conclusion
“Squeeze the shit out of Carpe Diem”
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This weekend was AMAZING. Guys were doing fantastic. Mind you we all came in
with various levels of game. Some great, some simply still waiting to “spread
their wings”.
Nonetheless, I was so proud of all the guys there and how much their game had
improved.
I don’t have to use routines anymore, I can do anything, I can say whatever I
want. What you do doesn’t matter, as long as it works. It’s almost as if my
natural friends were right all along; “just relax, and be yourself.” You don’t
need a masters degree or a PhD to do PU . . . quite the opposite. You don’t
need to spend hours everyday reading another seduction forum, you don’t need to
spend the rest of your life only doing PU just to get good, you don’t need to
buy product after product after product.
Now, the weekend was intense. For example, the whole weekend, even after I
ejected sets, BB from time to time would push me back into sets. I did
anywhere from 50 to 70 sets. I did over 90% of the sets that were pointed out
to me. I was eager to learn and really wanted to improve particularly as I
made a promise to myself years ago that women, dating, and relationships was a
part of my life that I would get handled no matter what.
Someone once asked me about BadBoy “method.” From what I know I don’t even
think he’s ever called it a method. The structure was so basic and pared down
that it looks more like the opposite of a method. I mean there aren’t really
any rules or 25 points or anything to follow. It’s simple. Meet girl, get
into rapport, close. Read that sentence again. That’s IT! Simple. I mean
the stuff he was teaching us reminds me of what many of my natural friends do
with a great deal of assertiveness and confidence.
In general, I’ve improved a great deal, I get A LOT of IOI’s and AI’s and even
though I still need to work on a couple of things, I now have a clear sense of
what I need to do and how to go about improving. I astounded myself on more
than one occasion. It seems as if the exercises although, some of them may
seem irrelevant to the untrained eye, served a purpose when it came to PU. In
fact the exercises are designed to help us to automatically do the right things
during a sarge.
BadBoy, Dumas Pere, and Jolly PUA were very friendly and I developed good
rapport with all of them. At times it didn’t even feel like BadBoy was an
instructor. It was more like he was an older brother who was giving us
pointers at picking up women.
Now to be fair and objective, the only less than positive thing I have to say
about the workshop is that at times I had difficulty understanding Jolly
because of his accent but I usually got the gist of what he said if I couldn’t
understand him after he repeated what he said.
The other thing is, during sets they would give us hand signals as to what to
do during the sarge. I always didn’t know what they wanted me to do.
Personally, I would have them kicking me into set after set with less than a
minute between sets.
So those are the only two things I would ask them to change. No offense to
Jolly PUA! As he is a super money guy, and we took well to each other and he
exudes a lot of positive energy. You guys will love him if you ever meet him.
This workshop is amazing. There are only 8 students allowed per workshop so
the student to instructor ratio is excellent and attention becomes more
personalized, particularly if less than 8 students sign up for a particular
workshop. Everything is designed so you do PU easily and with much less
conscious effort compared to the competition. It’s simple, fun, and easy to
learn. BadBoy lives up to his repuation HANDS DOWN as being the best PUA
instructor in the community at the moment. No one else comes close. Ask
anyone who has taken another competition’s seminar / workshop and then has
taken BadBoy’s. You’ll see a huge difference.
I guarantee you that you will LOVE this workshop. Take BadBoy Workshop not in
a month, not later, but take workshop as soon as possible! There is nothing
else like it on the market! You owe it to yourself, those whose lives you will
touch in your life and the women you will meet in your lifetime, to take this
workshop.
My friends, the game is too easy.
Ciao!
Vega
RockStar Type R 99x
Moderator, Nashville Lair
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NashvilleLair/
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