mASF post by "PlayerSupreme"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, April 4, 2005
TO GUNIT
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ON YOUR QUESTION:
Who was the first or one of the first pimps?
Don’t really know. I do know that pimping started right after slavery. If you
will recall history and whites love of black pussy that they owned. Former
slaves began to barter for things that they needed and then smart operators
began to get women to ask for money.
It wasn’t until those black men began driving carriages as nice as the town
folks that pimping became outlawed!
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YOU STATED:
Could we say that a PIMP is controlling and domeneering (he has to be for his
purposes) while a player is dominant and in control?
MY ANSWER:
No we cannot say that. A player is anything but that. You need to get out
into the real world and watch players. Look at them as they get caught up in
the game. The game controls them. Not they are in control of the game.
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MY STATEMENT FROM MY POST
>A player is a guy who hasn't
>learned to control himself or
>his libido:
YOUR STATEMENT:
Agree and disagree.
Let's make a distinction. There is a societal player - that guy hitting on
every chick (only or mostly in his social circle) and doing nothing to improve
his chances, and also not learning from his mistakes. There is also the PUA,
who studies how women work inside out and uses that to his advantage. The PUA
does not come off sleazy like a player and is in control of himself in the
sense that he is sexual (not horny) but not needy.
MY ANSWER:
LOL, you think a PUA is some kind of special guy who is above it all. You
should visit your very own chat room sometime. Watch what is spoken there. So
far the PUA’s are nothing like what you imagine them to be. They are just like
every other jock out there….just trying to score the next piece of ass. Many
of them are trying to score their first piece of ass. The very few who reach
stardom write books on how to get there and teach others. But it’s all in
search of the illusive next piece of ass! Let’s call a spade a spade. PUA’s
are not the only ones out there trying to learn the game. Look at my own
Players University at www.pimphop.com.
http://pimphop.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=5
Players trying to improve themselves. Not trying to be something that they are
not or mislabeling themselves. Let’s keep it real. I’ve heard the same crock
of shit over at Sosuave. A Don Juan is here to better himself. Then look at
the reality by visiting the main forum:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=15
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AND TO MY STAMENTS OF:
>That thang that goes on inside
>your head, Whitey calls the
>brain. But in pimp school it's
>called the Boss. That thang
>between your legs White calls
>genitals, but in pimp school
>it's called the Jones. Now if
>your Jones overrules the Boss,
>that mean you gonna be a
>trick. But if your Boss
>overrules your Jones, then
>that means you gonna be a
>Master Pimp.
>
>....a pimp is simply a real
>man. A man that had total
>control over his desires and
>emotions at all times. He
>doesn't allow himself to
>become a servant to p*ssy but
>instead to control and
>dominate it as only a Master
>can"
>
>--The Pimps Rap
THEN YOU SAID:
This makes sense and a PUA will adopt a similar mindset.
MY ANSWER:
LOL, Look at how your learning from just a piece of the pimp game. Imagine a
whole world of knowledge out there.
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TO YOUR QUESTION OF:
Exactly how would a pimp get a new chick? Would she approach him and ask to be
his? Would he make eye contact and then approach her?
MY ANSWER:
It’s called copping. Pimps get women in many different ways. The standard is
to wait for the woman to choose him. That means looking at him. It’s the same
in seduction processes. If a woman looks once at you and then looks again
within a minute then she is digging you.
If she is digging you then you step up. Some pimps preffer to approach women
on the streets just as PUA’s do. Some preffer night clubs. Some only preffer
women who are almost there and look for girls who do have self esteem issues or
are drug users or work in strip clubs:
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From: PIMP_SUPREME 10:17 am
To: SLIMMPHATZ unread (3 of 4)
1440.3 in reply to 1440.1 Pimpin is pimpin....you got alotta nigga's in here
that aint never pimped period that debate the knowledge or will say "that's not
what I read in that pimp book I bought" type shit. But this nigga really
pimpin...I don't consider myself no "street pimp" cause most of the shit my
bitches do is indoors. Me and my road dog cop ho's outta low budget/no money
makin strip clubs.....then take them outta state to bigger dollars. They gotta
be down for whatever or they aint goin, period! Right now we got 3 ho's goin
outta state this weekend. Since I'm not a "street pimp" their aint no choosin
fees and shit like that. We make sure we get in them bitches heads before they
roll though..and they know that when that money come in to hand it the fuck
over. My pimp partner is more of that smooth, sweet talkin pimp
shit...basically he feed them alot of bullshit about bein in magazines, videos
etc (how she can be a star). Basically sellin a dream to the bitch....then
tellin em if they really serious they gotta prove that shit and show that they
down and feelin a nigga by doin what we want them to do. My style is a little
different, I let the bitch know off the break that it's pimpin with me.....I
spit that no-nonsense "prove to me why the fuck I should be talkin to you type
shit" then have them breakin they fuckin neck. To do that though you got to
have the 4 "C's" in order. Clothes, Conversation, Crib and Car so the bitch can
see that gettin with you is a step up from "gettin rides to the club", "wearing
the same 2 strip outfits everyday she work", "going home with $150 after 6
hours of strippin". You know that low budget bullshit she used too. On the
fuckin side of the pimpin....these bitches will work casino's, hotels or the
niggas in the club to get money too. Our so-called "bottom bitch" or "lead
girl" or whatever you wanna call her is a ex-stripper outta D.C. If they need a
place to stay while they with us we just put them down at her house. While they
there she strengthening our game by layin that shit down from a female
perspective....cause you know the average bitch feel more comfortable if they
believe other bitches are down or have done this shit.
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MY COMMENT WAS:
>Look at all of the techniques
>focused on just getting laid.
AND YOU SAID:
They are focused on getting laid because getting laid (over and over) is the
goal. Another goal is to have great multiple reltaionships with those women
that you like particularly.
THEN I SAID:
>Now look at the level of the
>pimp. He gets laid and paid.
THEN YOU STATED:
And that is a pimp's goal. Consider who he is getting laid by. Would you please
address the following comment by me
"From what I know of pimping a large part of the game is screening for LSE
girls with no $$."
MY ANSWER:
There is a saying in the pimp game. Cash before ass! Who comes out ahead.
The man who get’s paid or the man who get’s laid after taking a girl out on a
date? If you guessed the first one then your 100% correct. Cause the first
one can also get laid anytime anyway anyhow that he wants. The second one is
subject to the whims of his female interest. Do you see what I’m saying about
all of this?
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I STATED:
>You are struggling just to get
>a date of which you may or may
>not but mostly will pay for.
YOU SAID:
When we don't each pay our way my gf pays when we spend time tog. If she is a
college student with no $$ I will pay. If she got $$ she will pay everything. I
am no pimp.
MY ANSWER:
I understand, your no pimp. There is nothing wrong with a square relationship
or lifestyle. Many pimps when they leave the game will try living a square
lifestyle also. Or as close to it as they can. Myself I am actually looking
for a soul mate to settle down with. And I will share paying when I meet her
probably…maybe…lol.
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MY STATEMENT WAS:
>Which is better to you?
>
>A) To constantly struggle for
>pussy
>
>B) To have total control over
>pussy
>
>If you picked B then your
>looking at the level of pimp
>vs player.
YOUR ANSWER WAS:
You are using a double bind. How about
C) To constantly get pussy and have more pussy than you can handle. I
personally am not there yet, but I know guys who are and I am catching up fast.
MY ANSWER IS:
I’m glad for you. The air is always clean at the top as you will soon find
out.
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YOUR NEXT STATEMENT WAS:
I can see that the goals of a pimp and a pua are different and they each adopt
their game to better suite their goals. I would not say that a pimp is more
skillful.
MY ANSWER:
If you can’t see then there is no further use of me trying to show you. You
will never see it. Sometimes you can’t see the forest for all the trees in the
way.
I DELEATED THE REST UNTIL I SAW THIS STATEMENT BY YOU:
Have you read the book "The Art of Seduction". You may be surprised to discover
that many of the ideas that you believe to have come from pimp game were
invented (or at least used unconciously) much, MUCH earlier than the 1970s.
There is a guy in the archives (Svengali) who judging by his age operated in
the 1970s. His stuff is really good too.
MY ANSWER:
Yes actually I have. And it almost parallels the pimp game. And American
street pimps have been around way before the 70’s as I showed you above. Now
how do you know he isn’t one of the authors who studied the pimp game to come
up with his information and techniques. And how do you know he didn’t add the
history lessons to further back up his statements?
I don’t know Svengali or his style. I will have to look it up. I was around
in the 70’s reading Eric Webbers book How to Pick Up Girls and listening to his
Phonograph on the same subject. Reading every piece of information that I
could get my hands on, on the subject of becoming a super seducer. I even read
the first book on body language due to an article I found in a hustler magazine
when I was in high school about the mysterious super seducer who could walk
into a night club stand at a bar and just by the way he stood drive women
crazy. This article went on to talk to a pimp about getting women even back
then.
peace
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