mASF post by "Scorpius"
posted on: mASF forum: Field Reports Discussion, March 3, 2005Friday March 4, 2005
Went solo to a goth/punk/rave club in downtown Toronto.
Before I get into this report:
A few months ago a guy wrote that he thinks that fear of approaching is the
greatest obstacle when it comes to success with women. He thought that if every
guy could approach whenever he wanted, every guy would be a top pickup artistWrong. After you've done it enough, it is easy to talk to girls. Easy.
To me, the greatest obstacle when it comes to picking up is time. Sarging takes
a lot of time. It takes a long time to get to the club, work on girls properly,
and then go home (alone or with company).
There's no way I'm going to sarge seven days a week. I've got other goals to
work on. Making money and going to the gym are important.
And it takes a lot of willpower to force yourself to go to a club, even when
you don't feel like it. Every Friday and Saturday night I *will* sarge, no
matter what mood I'm in, no matter what else is going on in my life. I just
treat it like a job. And man it is hard work.
Ok, I'm in the club. I approach two girls. I think I used the dental floss
opener. Did some cold readings on them. Voice projection and delivery failed.
Crash and burn. I treat this as a warm-up.
This is often the pattern with me: First set or two goes abominably bad, then
the next one hits dead on and sticks for hours.
I walk around (doing a classic slow, alpha walk), discretely looking for sets
to open.
In a club, even when you think nobody's watching, many people are. And if you
end up talking to them later, they'll sometimes tell you what they saw you
doing. So remember to carry yourself properly at all times.
A guy opens me. He'd been watching me scope the crowd. Hm. So much for my
discrete observation. Damnit.
Ok, up until recently, I'd just been getting rid of guys quickly. My attitude
was "I'm only here to talk to girls. No small talk with guys." I'd say to
guys:" Hi man. Ok, cool. Nice to meet you" and then ignore him until he left.
That's a mistake though.
There are a lot of "mixed sets" in clubs. i.e. sets with both guys and girls.
In order to get the girls out of difficult mixed sets, your skill with guys
also has to be good. So small talk is a good step towards this.
So I talk to this guy for a bit. He's a magician. Does street performances, and
corporate gigs, that kind of thing.
I ask him: "Can you levitate?" and he stands up on his toes. hah. whatever.
He takes me over and introduces me to his girlfriend.
He says to her: "Hug him!"
She tries to hug me, and I say "I don't know you."
She says "Sorry". She is now open to being gamed.
The guy leaves and goes to talk to other friends of his.
So I make small talk with her for a bit. It's easy since I've been introduced
to her by her boyfriend. Now I can do the psychic cold-reading shit and it
works great. I tell her that she's got different sides to her, a party-girl
side and a serious side, and most people can't see both parts, but she'd like
them to.
I'm not going to pick this chick up. I'm now friends with her boyfriend. I just
won't do it. If I were implementing the Mystery Method, this would have been my
opportunity. I had befriended the guy, and was now alone with the girl. But
forget it.
Ok, so her boyfriend is what we in the community would call a "natural". Very
extroverted and talkative, all smiles. Extreme personality. Perhaps too over
the top for some. It was very effective though. Alright, so I'm going to use
this opportunity to observe this guy. I'm calling him a natural, but surely
some of his stuff is pre-planned and practiced. (Especially since he's a
magician.)
He comes back and we talk a bit more. He brought a rat with him to the club.
It's this little white hairless rat thing. He crunches it up into a little
ball. His girlfriend tries to stop him. He says "I'm training him.. for this!"
Then he puts the rat in his mouth. Lol! Hmm... more drama for the girl.
It's 2:30am and The club is closing. He tells me that there might be a party at
his apartment after. He asks me if I want to go, so I take the risk and decide
to go.
A group of us walk out of the club, and the natural yells: "Get me out of
there!! There's too many girls in there!" and the crowd laughed. Some guy in
the crowd said "Too much estrogen!"
We're walking along the street, and the natural grabs a guy by the shoulders
and says "[My_real_name] wants to fight you!!"
The guy says: "Where is he?"
The natural's girlfriend says: "Don't mind him, he's just..."
As we're walking away, the natural says: "I talk myself in and out of fights
all the time."
So.. that's a good example of giving girls the kind of "drama" they're looking
for unconsciously. As the natural was threatening some random guy, his
girlfriend was standing there looking interested, like she was enjoying
herself.
Ok, so we take a taxi to their apartment a few blocks away.
There is indeed a mini party going on.
The lights are dim. There are candles and musical instruments around. There's
hot girls and a bunch of musicians. And a mohawk.
On the cd player they've got death metal playing. It sounds like Cannibal
Corpse.
On the tv is the discovery channel, with the sound turned off.
Nice contrast. I'm going to use that idea on extractions.
I'm thinking of PORTISHEAD (goddamnit) on the stereo, and Bram Stoker's dracula
in the background with the sound off. It will give the girl plenty of
entertainment and stimuli.
Rapport is damaged when other people are drinking and I am not.
In situations like this, all I can do is to try to compensate by getting enough
rapport with everyone through conversation.
Ok, so I chat the people for a bit. The natural dude brings a rat over to me
and puts it in my hands and says to hold it. Then he says "Now you can hold
these" and pulls 3 more rats out of his pocket and dumps them all in my hand.
hah.
Now you see, someone who's confident and outgoing enough can get away with
stuff like this. It's out there, but it comes across like it's normal for him.
For a typical dude, if he tried to carry around a bunch of rats, it might take
some practice before it seemed like he wasn't faking that kind of personality.
Eventually the party starts to die out. This guy invites me over to his room to
show me his websites.
He's got a shitload of animals down there. Holy fuck, two snakes, two cages
full of rats, all these weird lizards, a hedgehog, and a dog.
He wraps the snake around my neck. This guy is a street performer and this is
part of his gig. lol. The dog comes in the room and starts barking and he goes
"SHUT UP DOG!! SIT OVER THERE!!".
Then he kicks me out cuz his girlfriend was coming down. And that was that.
I wasn't starting a threesome with them. Forget it. Don't even think about it.
Saturday March 5, 2005
11pm: Went to a more mainstream bar/club in Toronto's entertainment district.
Met up with The Dating Wizard inside.
Sarging with this guy is a pleasure. He's willing to try anything and he keeps
a positive attitude at all times.
It's good sometimes to meet up with your wings inside the club. That way if one
of you is late or whatever, the other person just goes ahead and gets their
full night of sarging in. The downside is you each have to wait in line
separately.
When working sets with wings, you can do one routine yourself, then your wing
does one, then you do one again. Back and forth.
It took me a few sets before I got in a good enough mood for things to go well.
When you're on top of the world and projecting your voice properly, you can get
away with all kinds of crazy shit.
I opened these two girls in a very direct fashion by walking right up to them,
facing them, pointing and screaming: "YOU'RE MINE NOW!!! THIS IS MY SET!! I OWN
THIS FRAME!!!" hehe. You see, something like this only worked because of the
mood I was in. Very happy, playful and dominant. Alpha.
I use different variations on this opener. Sometimes I'll say something loudly
like "You're talking to me now!!"
Anyhow, these girls loved it. They were all smiles and really into me.
This should not be taken as an indicator that a "direct approach" is superior
to an "indirect approach". Indirect approaches open all the time.
Indirect approaches are a little harder though.
With one indirect approach I did earlier in the evening (who lies more, girls
or boys), the girl said "That's cheesy, but ok" and she started talking. blah.
Girls have to believe that you're just making small talk and not using a
"pickup line".
Ok, so after a couple of minutes, Dating Wizard came close to the group, I
introduced him, and we each did some of our own routines.
After a while, the girl brought her boyfriend over. Ugh. She was still into me
even though her boyfriend right there. Man, I just don't have the heart to game
a girl while her boyfriend is RIGHT THERE. I can't do it. I might change my
mind in the near future.
I asked the guy "Doesn't it bother you when people talk to your girlfriend
right in front of you?" and he said no. It most likely does bother him, but
he's got to pretend it doesn't. (Durango pointed this out the next day.)
After Dating Wizard left the club, I did a few more sets on my own. My goal is
to be a social person all night. I refuse to just stand there watching people.
I opened another couple of girls directly with "You guys are awesome, I love
you!". I grabbed their arms, put them around me, then I put my arms around
them. Worked pretty well. After that I just went into routines. Got a number
off of one of them. She kept saying "Call me".
Notes to self:
Voice projection.
Always be in a good mood.
Always stand up straight.
Own the frame.
This was a long post. Comments are appreciated.
ttyl,
Scorpius
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