mASF post by "secondarysight"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, July 7, 2004On 7/21/04 8:18:00 AM, razorjack wrote:
>The biggest key so far is that
>I’ve started to PU the way I
>WANT to PU instead of how I’m
>supposed to PU. I bet a lot of
>you are thinking, “WTF are you
>talking about, Razorjack?”
Heh, I have always done things my way. I can't understand why
some guys think they have to please others with the way they PU!
Good stuff, Razorjack.
>OK, what I’m trying to show
>you guys with this is how you
>design routines,
>tactics/techs, PU styles,
>methods, etc to suit YOU,
>instead of you conforming to
>someone else’s methods,
>styles, etc.
I agree. There is no substitute for your own judgment.
>All right, roll with me here
>boys. I used to PU with the
>notions that:
>
>1. I shouldn’t validate chicks
>2. Not give them too much
>attention
>3. I should be indirect, not
>show interest right away
>4. I should qualify chicks
>before they get attention from
>me
>5. I should kino chicks as a
>reward for their good behavior
>6. etc etc
>
>Now when I read this list, I
>just see a bunch of rules that
>I had to confine to. Now even
>with these restrictions I did
>pretty well. I mean I got more
>pussy in that 1 year then all
>of the previous years in my
>life put together.
Here is an analogy:
When you start out on violin, you put thin strips of tape on the
fingerboard so you know where to put your fingers. Otherwise, you
would be horribly out of tune. However, once you get better at
placing your fingers, you take off the strips of tape, because they
look dorky.
Basically, we learn any art through some kind of structure that lets
us develop technique. Unfortunately, a structure is a left-brained
methodology when art is right-brained, so too much structure will
just hold you back once you have developed technique. Picasso
had a full training in academic realist painting before he went into
cubism and broke every rule in the book.
Someone who follows all the rules is a pickup technician. You
have to break, or at least bend the rules to be a pickup artistThat's
the only way you can find out which rules are sensible in what
situations, and which rules are just arbitrary training wheels.
>But we all want to improve,
>become better than we are and
>of course have fun doing it.
>What I realized was that this
>was a very restrictive way to
>PU. Seriously guys read that
>list, it’s so fucking negative
>and passive, at least IMO.
>What happened was that I got a
>bunch of information in my
>head and I CONFORMED to those
>restrictions without even
>realizing it.
Yes, well there is just as much pressure and conditioning on ASF
as in mainstream culture. Perhaps more. In any human
organization, there are always trends, fads, and people trying to
set rules.
>I just love pleasuring chicks
>and making them feel good
>about themselves. So this is
>what I do and focus on via
>kino, massaging, complimenting
>them on things other than
>their beauty, etc. This is
>direct and conveying value
>straight to the target. The
>best part is that some of this
>is also seen by other chicks
>and of course the other chicks
>want a part of this as well.
>The whole point is that SHE
>gets more out of the
>interaction with YOU, than you
>get from her. Can you say
>higher value?
Especially because you are complimenting, *and* in a way that
isn't AFC.
>I bet some guys here are
>thinking, “Well isn’t this
>just validating her,
>supplicating and all that
>other bullshit?”
The validation/invalidation model describes a lot of dynamics
accurately, but it isn't the whole story. The main issue is that most
guys don't know how to make a chick feel good in a way that isn't
supplication. So that leads guys to believe that all positive
treatment whatsoever = validation = supplication. Wrong. It is all
about context. In fact, most things with chicks tend to be all about
context. They don't interpret your statements and actions in a
logical fashion, but rather by looking at the emotional context
behind what you do (i.e. the vibe and subcommunication).
Gunwitch discussed this basic idea recently in a post in general
that is also on thundercat's site. To a chick, everything you do is a
statement of where she stands with you, where you stand with her,
and how you feel about her. Thus, it is possible to give chicks
positive treatment in a way that isn't supplication, though for most
guys and girls, this is easier said than done. It's a shame we don't
have more stuff on this board about figuring how to pull it off,
though I suppose that is because it wouldn't work so well on LSE
girls.
>My opinion is that if you
>think it is then that’s the
>way you’re target will
>interpret it. What I do is
>come from a 10000000 times
>stronger frame then her. I
>actually get as much pleasure
>from the stuff I’m doing as
>she does. So in the end, it’s
>me doing things that I KNOW we
>both would enjoy.
Yeah, a positive interaction involves both people making each
other feel good. This is pretty much my only rule.
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-"The only way to treat a woman is to make
love to her if she is pretty, and to someone
else if she is plain."
—Oscar Wilde
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