mASF post by "Nashvilleplayboy"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, March 3, 2005On 3/31/05 9:07:00 AM, Rageking wrote:
anyway, I developed
>"game" so to speak, however
>it's completely natural and
>not completely under my
>control.....
>
As you are more natural, your game should seem more spontaneous and should flow
seamlessly, easier for you to put on autopilot, but what you do should be
completely under your control. You might need to work more on managing your
state as opposed to managing your technique.
>Since I'm a natural comedian
>and story teller I pull off a
>completely C&F game with
>various funny stories of my
>own
Great, if it works don't change it, just improve. And the best way to to
improve this is (even though I don't do as much as I should) - Field Work.
which tends to prove to
>get numbers quite well
Numbers are not where your goals should be. Your goals should be end results.
And your methods should be the best way to those results while still being
congruent to your identity. Phone #s are not the best means to reach the ends,
whether your end goals be ONSs, MLTRs, FBs. Numbers lead more often to flakes
than anything else.
if I
>pull it off well enough since
>if I get them laughing
>alittle, it quickly
>accelerates....and they're
>eating out of my
>hand
Being naturally funny is great at disarming Bitch shields and other defenses
girls might have. Even the most prude seeming girls respond to a funny guy (to
some degree, sometimes, not saying thats the type of girl you want)
...however...I want to
>expand my game since I can't
>always make them laugh like
>crazy....
Being entertainment is not the name of this game.
it's completely
>improv(been doing this for
>years so I'm pretty good) so
>it's not concrete...
Again, it doesn't have to be, sarging is dynamic, and so should your game. Why
would you limit what you do to being concrete when you seem like your game is
fully dynamic.
>
>Day time opener:
>
>Basically, situational opener
>or "Hi" followed by what's up
>
I don't believe openers are what makes your game, just don't let your openers
break your game. My game is natural and I tend to go with situational openers
or "Hi" myself. Ocassionally I might repeat something I've said before if it
fits the situation.
>*Commenting on situation
>* Followed by questions about
>life or job
This crap is unimportant to PU. Why ask typical rapport questions when you want
to build on attraction. Make statements, tell high value stories, qualify, but
don't go with the boring same old stuff that the last 100 guys did. And if you
feel the need for rapport before you think you've built enough attraction, just
act as if you already have rapport.
>* see where that leads
Lead the interaction where you want it to go. Whether you go about it
indirectly or directly.
>*elicit values,
Not always necessary. For me, its easier to get her to qualify to my own
values. Eliciting her values and then echoing them seems like I'm trying to
become the man she wants. I believe I'm already the man that most women want so
why would I make an effort to seem like something that I already am. I'd rather
screen the chick to see if she is or can be the woman that I want.
relate with
>stories and get to the funny
>(natural comedian comes
>out) if she provides good
>material to work with.
She doesn't always have to provide anything to work with. Just be yourself, use
her, the situation, the environment, whatever as your material.
>* Tell some of my personal
>funny stories- by now the girl
>is having a great time and
>enjoying herself, teasing
>added for good measure through
>out
>* # close
>
I would suggest # closing only when there is a time constraint and you haven't
made plans for a day 2 or you won't be seeing her regularly (as in work, school
and such).
>However, without the
>laughter(she doesn't have any
>good material for me to work
>with) things go to crap....so
>it relies entirely off me
>being a good comedian....which
>usually leaves her estatic if
>I"m funny...
>
>So I want to imbue my game
>with some more advanced
>techniques and strategies I've
>read about so I can turn the
>conversation towards a more
>sexual state and not entirely
>have to rely on comedy....
>
>so what would you suggest for
>somebody who is running my
>game.....I read quite alot of
>strategies and such, however
>it's not even remotely
>organized(I know some
>patterns, games , 1 or 2
>routines, general strategies,
>etc.) so I have a ton of
>stuff..I'm tying to organize
>it....and figured I'd ask you
>guys for help.
>
>So here's what I have planed
>to add(I already know about
>things from the faqs and
>guides like negs, eliciting
>values, mirroring, etc.) :
>
>openers: I know a few, however
>I still perfer situational or
>Hi..
>
What's important here is apart from the things that don't work, ie. pickup
lines and such, do exactly what you want, what you like, what you feel
comfortable with doing. Very important with seeming natural and congruent.
>Games: Strawberry fields, Palm
>reading, questions game(mainly
>for parties).
>
Not necessary. Think natural. If you are natural don't rely on techniques,
routines, or PU games. Rely on sexual state, YOUR (specific to you) alpha
dominant frame of interaction, and your set of values and beliefs, the rest
should come by autopilot.
>Stories: I have my funny
>stories, however none are
>sexual, maniac has soem good
>ones on his site...however
>what are some of the best? I'm
>a great story teller so any
>story will work....
The more relevant and personal a story is to you, the more effective it will be
because you were there. It's completely you and you can add and subtract
details as you feel necessary to get the desired effect from your story. As for
the sexual part, the stories don't have to be sexual, but you do. Be in Sexual
State. All the time. Hit the gym get those hormones pumping. Keep your sex
drive high. Make sure when sarging to be in sexual state.
>
>Rountines: what are some good
>ones for day time? I can't for
>the life of me recall a few
>except some of tyler's I've
>read.
NATURAL GAME» = Use your own routines.
>
>Patterns: IC pattern and the
>possibly discovery channel
>pattern.
>
I don't use patterns, so I can't help you here. I would recommend you use none
and rely on what your strengths are.
>and in what order would I add
>these(if needed)? I'm thinking
>of doing the MM, anybody know
>the order of that(FMAC I think
>was revised by Mystery I
>think, correct if I'm wrong).
It sounds to me like all you are missing is some direction, a method to your
madness. My outline isn't written in stone but if you need direction, you can
borrow my PU progression.
Meet
Attraction - always present, build upon from first IOI, kino very very early
(and continue throughout the PU)
Comfort - generally needed with you (Rapport), trust, and comfort with herself
and the situation
Rapport - Assumed at the beginning of interaction (in interacting with me I
assume as though she wants a connection with me, so I act as if there already
is one)IOW converse with her and act on the same general level as you would
with someone you are already comfortable with. The higher the level of rapport,
the less likely to have flakes and ASD.
Personal and situational comfort - the less comfortable she is with herself
(with her sexuality and her emotional security) the more likely she is to have
ASD and LMR. On a surface level, can easily be affected by what you say, your
tonality, your BL. Example, you've isolated and escalated but you get LMR.
"It's ok, no one will know." Or, "We don't have to do anything you don't feel
comfortable doing." "I'm not trying to push you into anything, I just want us
to enjoy each other and enjoy this moment together." And other things along
that general line of thought. Give her the excuses she needs to do what she
really wants to do.
Isolation - whether it be in venue or daytime and you just go somewhere alone
"together" such as table alone or a walk though there may be people around, you
are still alone together. This gives her time to expand her deeper feelings of
rapport and trust with you. Also isolation to where you are completely alone,
such as bedroom, car, and such.
Escalation - i really shouldn't have to explain, there's a big gap from
touching her arm to your penis in her vagina, and you aren't typically gonna be
able to jump from one to the other. RTM.
Close
All I seem to hear from girls when i get them in bed
is, "no, stop, don't." Just last night, this girl was
screaming, "No, don't stop!"
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