mASF post by "Gatto"
posted on: mASF forum: Field Reports Discussion, March 3, 2004>>A disadvantage may be the fact that
>>being them not accustomed
>>to PUAs they are inexperienced in
>>dealing with us and being attracted
>>as hell they fuck it up... :-)
>
>Please share your insights. I am willing to try ANYTHING to get in with the
>girls here consistently.
The better looking the girl, the more attention you have to pay
to her state and calibrate accordingly because they are not
accustomed to puas. I recently fucked up a PU in a restaurant
because she got so horny so fast that I missed to tone the
c&f down and basically phase shift to a more seductive qualifying
... and she was pissed about it. I ejected thinking that she was
being bitchy but the fact is that she was horny/upset
(mixed feeling) because she had eventually found a "real man"
and he was not attracted to her (an 8.5). Funny thing is that
she was complaining with her friend that she always dated
losers... and I opened with something like "is it hard to find
a real one, isn't it ?" ... eheh .. pacing and putting myself apart
from the supplicators...
A girl that a friend of mine closed few months ago said that
all the guys she was dating probably were gay because they
wouldn't make a move on her... where he went caveman asap...
So just applying kino from the start will put you apart from
supplicators beacuse they do not even dare to put their hands
on chicks. I do it all the time and chicks just love it. Problem is
that then they have buyer's remorse and bitch shields go up
again... so you have to constantly calibrate and "navigate"
through their state changes.
Here in Italy people are being hammered from the craddle to
shit like "Family man" (remember the movie?) by the Christian
community and the sexual side of life is often neglected...
You have to be prepared to handle all the conflicting thoughts
and feelings in the chick....and, of course, be prepared to meet
a lot of inexperienced chicks... :-/
>Yep this is what I was thinking, but you say it much better. Italian guys call
>and SMS these girls constantly.
Pathetic.
Watch out of not to get caught up in the sms game: the chick will
shit test you not answering to calls BUT answering to sms and
pulling you in their stupid game. I have a rule of never use the sms.
>I just met some American girls who are studying
>here in Italy and we were talking about the whole "dating" scene here. They
>both found Italian boyfriends right when they got here,
Yeah AFCs are doing backflips to have the opportunity to give
rides, movies, dinners, etc to their girlfriends.
>but then tried dumping them without any luck.
>Like the guys wouldn't let them break up!! lol One of
>the guys broke into the girl's dorm room, and sat there sulking, trying to get
>her to have sex. Then he stole her underwear!
That's sad :-), but happens... really clueless people.. and insulting
too, because they are treating chicks as sluts: I invested money and
time and now you must give me sex... how fucked up is this ? Duh.
Another very sad thing is in the pub scene... usually there are 5 guys
and 2 chicks that are treated like the prime minister and then there
is me, that usually with a couple of words and eyecontact get the
chick interested... when the afcs become aware that she is paying
no attention to them and tries to give me a re-approach invitation
they make a fucking human-wall !!! Lol... I couldn't believe it...
The real problem in pubs are those sticky afcs... not the chicks,
also because usually they outnumber girls... go figure !
>The guys will call 10 times a day and do this thing called squillo (sp?)
>something where the phone rings once, then they hang up.
Yes, "squillo" means "one ring only"...
>It's just to let the
>girls know that the guys are thinking of them.
Exactly. The WORST thing one could possibly do. :-)
There is also the opposite, when a chick gives you a "squillo" to
"probe" for you... another form of phone shit test.
I usually call them back saying "I was doing stuff and now I
see you called me, what's up?" hahahah... they are completely
off guard... :-) .... "er hm... I just wanted to hear you..." eheheh
In this way I pass the shit test and make them re-affirm their
belief that they feel something for me :-)
> They use totally cheesy pickup
>lines and bullshit, anything that they think will get the girls to putout. So
>yeah they are total supplicators to the nth degree.
This is part of the reason their shields are always up. You really
have to actively be disinterested and make it really clear that you
are not hitting on them.
>They try, try, try, never giving the girls room to breathe...which results in
a
>country full of princesses who are used to being chased ALL THE TIME, and can
>barely even fathom chasing a man.
Agreed.
In fact the bar/pub scene is the worst place to pu here.
Discos are a little better.
Daytime pu is the way to go, imo.
There are a good share of warpigs that chase too :-)
>HOWEVER, I sometimes see the super alphas getting tons of attention from
girls.
>So it's sort of like an exaggerated pickup world/secret society, where 99% of
>the guys are totally ignored and have to work their asses off to even get in
>with a girl, and there is the 1% who are so socially proofed/alpha that they
>don't have to do anything but be alpha.
Agreed.
This is why I said that it could be used to our advantage, although there are
pitfalls in it.
>In America I would say that in a good PUA pickup that the PUAs are doing like
>50-70% of the work, with the girls doing the remainder (of course for good
>PUAs, you are planning out or calibrating the whole thing and LETTING her
chase
>you or work a bit, but she is doing some of it!)
>
>In Italy, it's like the guys do 100% of the work. It's ridiculous some of
>things I've seen and heard. The girls basically have shields up at all times
>and are pre-programmed to say no before the end of a question even comes. In
>rare moments, they'll be vulnerable and the guy will get a yes, thus advancing
>the relationship slightly.
Thats true in the "afc world", but, as I was saying previously, you can
easily turn this to your advantage playing the hard to get/disinterested
route, however then you have to deal with the chick's "inner conflicts".
Once a girl in a set felt so shaken inside that was about to faint! She
and her friends stated it clearly ! She excused herself and went away
and never came back, a friend of hers said to me a week later that she
went back with her ex-bf.
This shit happened twice to me... they get so much "turmoil" in all
their beliefs about men and dating in general that they simply cannot
stand it. They are damaged goods anyway so nothing is lost :-)
>Gatto, are you pretty good with girls here?
I manage.
>Your English seems top notch.
I blush.
>Are you Italian?
Yes.
What's this ? 20 question game ? [LOL]
>Dude, we need to meet up soon, because I want to get good with the
>girls here even if that means LJBFing them, or whatever.
It will be done in due time :-)
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