mASF post by "Jestor"
posted on: alt.seduction.relationships, June 6, 2005On 6/15/05 1:55:00 AM, zarathustra_fi wrote:
>On 6/14/05 11:25:00 AM, Jestor wrote:
>
>Jestor,
>
>>But the pleasure is drawn from the
>>leadership, from the guy telling her
>>what to do, giving ORDERS if need be.
>>Communicating to them "DO THIS" or
>>telling them "YOU FUCKED UP" are what
>>they respond to.
>
>Yes but these chicks also organize
>things so to get the maximum pleasure
>from the dominance SAME DAY but make
>sure that you are not going to get any
>power on the longer-term. This is
>because they are very badly in touch
>with male world so they come to get a
>"touch" of it in a restricted setting,
>whom they have created for themselves.
>So if you have in mind a LTR or any kind
>of closer relationship these are the
>last chicks you should consider for ( I
>have still in mind the subject of your
>post: double binds and social circle)
Well with my last HB she expressed a concern that I would not want to see her
again after sex. But I proved to her I did. We had sex over the course of two
meets. And on the last meet she said that she would be busy working for all of
the next week, but said that I should go out anyway (without her). This told
me that she was already needing her space (even though she implied that she
would like to see me on a longer term).
So now, almost 3 weeks later, she has stopped returning my calls, and is
clearly putting distance between us. I feel that I have pushed her away by
subcommunicating Provider even though she gave me the impression that that is
what she wanted.
So now she is nexted in my mind. And when/if she calls I will not be nice.
Interestingly she is a latina from South America who moved here a few months
ago, and is quickly discovering her freedom...she recently bought a digital
camera etc.
I am still occasionally surprised by how incongruent women can be sometimes.
They want a provider but don't want a provider. They want an alpha but don't
want an alpha. It's a form of confusion.
>>I know what you're saying, don't take
>>away her freedom. But when she is with
>>me that is exactly what I am doing when
>>I show DOMINANCE. She can have her
>>freedom when we aren't together and do
>>what she wants on her OWN time.
>
>I understand: in this way you are also
>creating a NON COMMITTMENT FRAME =
>dominance from you "there and then" and
>"she does what she wants on her own
>time". So actually what you are giving
>them is fun with a PLAYER (you). If you
>want a closer relationship then you have
>to make the choice:
>- Be a nice guy canadian typical husband
>( my former primary HBCanadian gave me
>extensive information about how nice
>husbands are there..:) But I am sure
>this is NOT what you are looking for.
>- Or USE THE POWER on them on the longer
>term. And I am sure this is what they
>would RESIST with teeth, nails and all
>the arsenal they have.
It seems that women are able to frame the initial passionate non-commitment
frame as THEIR CHOICE. Like ONS is fine because they still held the power and
allowed it to happen. They were in the mood then and there and that's it.
>So with these chicks you only get/give
>the thrill of dominance "there and then"
>while they go on being with nice
>Canadian boyfriends/husbands.
>
>Do I get the picture there?
I know some women who have fucked plenty of RANDOM GUYS, and then by chance I
noticed that they have a profile on the internet personal ads that say they are
looking for a "nice" guy who likes kids and has family values.
>So if in the Toronto center it is not
>possible to be an Alpha husband (unless
>you own one of the richest Company in
>the area and keep 5 lovers on the side
>including your secretary becuase that is
>what I would do PROACTIVELY if I would
>live there..:) go to live there, where
>that is possible if you really want a
>LTR later on. I mean if you want to
>relax later on Toronto area is certainly
>not the right place to be.
Someone told me once that it is better to marry a girl who grew up here rather
than a foreign girl from a poorer country who moved here. He was saying that
the foreign girl will get even more messed up in the head than the canadian
girl, just because of the SHARP contrast.
>>I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>Do you mean it's their way of keeping
>>their indeterminate mixed frame?
>
>YES THE DOUBLE BIND IS THE WAY THEY KEEP
>THEIR INDETERMINATE MIXED FRAME WHICH
>GIVES THEM THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING
>WHATEVER THEY WANT AND FEEL WHATEVER
>THEY WANT FROM A DAY TO ANOTHER IN TOTAL
>DISREGARD OF OTHER PEOPLE NEEDS. WHEN
>WOMEN DO THAT THEY DO NOT BREAK WINDOWS
>OR KICK THE ASS OF OTHER PASSENGERS IN
>THE METRO LIKE GUYS DO THEY SIMPLY DO IT
>SWEETLY OR LIKE ROSS WROTE THEIR MINDSET
>IS:"I AM NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING IF I
>DO NOT FEEL LIKE IT RIGHT NOW". THE
Liberated women feel that it is their right. They are told all the time that
they are entitled to chemistry and sparks and a good time. One side effect of
this is that it replaces the social/moral personality with the more
primitive/wild one.
>DOUBLE BIND IS THE DEFENCE WHICH GIVES
>THEM THE POSSIBILITY TO BE INDEFINITELY
>IN THAT STATE. SIGNING INTO THE STRANGER
>LEGION FOR 5 YEARS WOULD BE SAFER THAN
>HAVING AN LTR WITH A WOMAN WHO HAS THIS
>MINDSET.
Invest nothing in these women, only the energy of the moment.
One side effect of constantly playing the field, I am discovering, is that my
love for women and pussy is tied more and more to having a GENERAL female
presence in my life, rather than becoming attached to any one individual woman.
IOW those feelings and satisfaction I get with one woman this week are of the
type that a different woman NEXT WEEK can give me those SAME feelings. Have
you experienced this?
>>The dating frame here is strong. I had
>>one woman ask me if I will take her to
>>dinner. This was after a day1 and I
>>made it very clear that I'm not after
>>commitment, and she quite attracted. We
>>kissed a lot, no sex though. My guess
>>is that she talked to a friend and they
>>said that she is entitled to a date if
>>she gives me sex. Of course I never
>>went out with her again.
>
>Yes, because of the DOUBLE MORAL
>connected with sex. Actually I do not
>know much about the religious background
>in Canada. Isn´t it so that it is
>Catholic country? Expect a lot of
Strongly catholic yes, but there are also other religions like Protestant. But
the catholic religion here is the most hypocritical.
>>HOW DO WOMEN INFLUENCE EACH OTHER?? Do
>>they have secret talks?? What do they
>>say to each other in these feminist
>>moments??
>
>It is simple, women´s secret talk comes
>from two sources:
>- They had to mindfuck the Alpha
>warrior/hunter to avoid getting killed
>and to get food.
>- Men oppressed women so women learned
>to share emotions in a way that most of
>the men do not understand.
Interesting. They share emotions and gestures in a womanese language. Once I
saw a girl mimic a gag reflex when another woman told her that this guy bought
her flowers.
The healthiest Secret Society women are the ones that have consciously realized
that the key to their happiness is having a rotation of strong alpha men in
their lives. They are most OPEN to ONS, easier to pull from, say, nightclubs,
and have the least mixed frame. These women are common in sexually-liberated
feminist countries, like eastern europe.
It's the Secret Society women that are confused and torn between ASD, religion,
having a provider, having freedom that are the WORST women, having the most
mixed frame. They are the most CONFUSED women, and are common in NON-sexually
liberated feminist countries. It's like the COUNTRY itself has the mixed
frame.
My solution for this is to deal mostly with 30+ women.
>>>What are your
>>>>thoughts on this, and what do
>>>>you think about my suggestion
>>>>of expanding my social circle
>>>>for better future grounding of
>>>>relationships? Much
>>>>appreciated.
>
>I don´t think you find easily a woman
>for a LTR from Toronto area. All the
>chicks I have been in touch with from
>that area where simple "Secret Society"
>machines, with "code language", contempt
>for guys who wanted to be
>provider/husbands to them and all the
>shit. Go look elsewhere from the
>countryside of start to travel in III
>world countries WITHOUT bringing her to
>Toronto. If you marry a woman from a
>traditional country go to live in a
>small town in the countryside with her.
>Make with her CLEAR (like I did with my
>wife) that you have only two frames you
>can enjoy:
>- Being a playboy
>- Being a family man
>And make clear that you get back to the
>playboy frame fast like the light if she
>tells you:"Honey I have a evening with
>my girlfriends tonight and you are not
>invited".. You can sub-communicated
>this. Women will understand no matter
>from where they are.
Very good advice. Thanks!
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