mASF post by "zarathustra_fi"
posted on: alt.seduction.relationships, June 6, 2005On 6/14/05 11:25:00 AM, Jestor wrote:
Jestor,
>But the pleasure is drawn from the
>leadership, from the guy telling her
>what to do, giving ORDERS if need be.
>Communicating to them "DO THIS" or
>telling them "YOU FUCKED UP" are what
>they respond to.
Yes but these chicks also organize things so to get the maximum pleasure from
the dominance SAME DAY but make sure that you are not going to get any power on
the longer-term. This is because they are very badly in touch with male world
so they come to get a "touch" of it in a restricted setting, whom they have
created for themselves. So if you have in mind a LTR or any kind of closer
relationship these are the last chicks you should consider for ( I have still
in mind the subject of your post: double binds and social circle)
>I know what you're saying, don't take
>away her freedom. But when she is with
>me that is exactly what I am doing when
>I show DOMINANCE. She can have her
>freedom when we aren't together and do
>what she wants on her OWN time.
I understand: in this way you are also creating a NON COMMITTMENT FRAME =
dominance from you "there and then" and "she does what she wants on her own
time". So actually what you are giving them is fun with a PLAYER (you). If you
want a closer relationship then you have to make the choice:
- Be a nice guy canadian typical husband ( my former primary HBCanadian gave me
extensive information about how nice husbands are there..:) But I am sure this
is NOT what you are looking for.
- Or USE THE POWER on them on the longer term. And I am sure this is what they
would RESIST with teeth, nails and all the arsenal they have.
So with these chicks you only get/give the thrill of dominance "there and then"
while they go on being with nice Canadian boyfriends/husbands.
Do I get the picture there?
>Also, look at her family. Are her
>parents divorced. How does her mother
>treat her father. What is the HIERARCHY
>in her home??
Exactly. But I am even more strict in this. I am quite sure that some urban
centers of several Western world´s town as so corrupted that it is wise to
simply not live there. I mean go for the countryside and/or more traditional
country if you want a family.
>Yes, I am the "ride" on the amusement
>park :)
So if in the Toronto center it is not possible to be an Alpha husband (unless
you own one of the richest Company in the area and keep 5 lovers on the side
including your secretary becuase that is what I would do PROACTIVELY if I would
live there..:) go to live there, where that is possible if you really want a
LTR later on. I mean if you want to relax later on Toronto area is certainly
not the right place to be.
>I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>Do you mean it's their way of keeping
>their indeterminate mixed frame?
YES THE DOUBLE BIND IS THE WAY THEY KEEP THEIR INDETERMINATE MIXED FRAME WHICH
GIVES THEM THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING WHATEVER THEY WANT AND FEEL WHATEVER THEY
WANT FROM A DAY TO ANOTHER IN TOTAL DISREGARD OF OTHER PEOPLE NEEDS. WHEN WOMEN
DO THAT THEY DO NOT BREAK WINDOWS OR KICK THE ASS OF OTHER PASSENGERS IN THE
METRO LIKE GUYS DO THEY SIMPLY DO IT SWEETLY OR LIKE ROSS WROTE THEIR MINDSET
IS:"I AM NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING IF I DO NOT FEEL LIKE IT RIGHT NOW". THE
DOUBLE BIND IS THE DEFENCE WHICH GIVES THEM THE POSSIBILITY TO BE INDEFINITELY
IN THAT STATE. SIGNING INTO THE STRANGER LEGION FOR 5 YEARS WOULD BE SAFER THAN
HAVING AN LTR WITH A WOMAN WHO HAS THIS MINDSET.
>The dating frame here is strong. I had
>one woman ask me if I will take her to
>dinner. This was after a day1 and I
>made it very clear that I'm not after
>commitment, and she quite attracted. We
>kissed a lot, no sex though. My guess
>is that she talked to a friend and they
>said that she is entitled to a date if
>she gives me sex. Of course I never
>went out with her again.
Yes, because of the DOUBLE MORAL connected with sex. Actually I do not know
much about the religious background in Canada. Isn´t it so that it is Catholic
country? Expect a lot of "double moral" in Catholic countries: I mean virgins
who take it up the ass..:) I can believe that the dating frame is strong there.
>Another one asked me if I know of any
>good restaurants because she enjoys good
>food. I told her I would cook for her
>at my place (where there's a kitchen but
>also a bed). And that BS ended right
>away.
There must be lot of nice guys AFC in Toronto..:) I noticed that some women
have an almost PSYCHOTIC self-confidence when it goes to dating frames and
mindfucking guys - in a word they are ASTONISHED when they meet something "so
different" like a guy who tells them to come to his kitchen - which tells me
that there are lot of guys who are completely figured out by chicks.
>Women here are taught that sex + dinners
>+ dating frame has the same value as
>just sex for the man. Of course this
>happens in big cities more since there
>are many cultural, recreational, and
>culinary opportunities here.
And also because it is easier to change the person.
>And women
>want to experience those things and
>dating frame is a very popular PC way to
>do that. Smaller towns don't have this
>problem as much.
Because people need each other much more and it is not so easy to change the
person.
>HOW DO WOMEN INFLUENCE EACH OTHER?? Do
>they have secret talks?? What do they
>say to each other in these feminist
>moments??
It is simple, women´s secret talk comes from two sources:
- They had to mindfuck the Alpha warrior/hunter to avoid getting killed and to
get food.
- Men oppressed women so women learned to share emotions in a way that most of
the men do not understand.
>>What are your
>>>thoughts on this, and what do
>>>you think about my suggestion
>>>of expanding my social circle
>>>for better future grounding of
>>>relationships? Much
>>>appreciated.
I don´t think you find easily a woman for a LTR from Toronto area. All the
chicks I have been in touch with from that area where simple "Secret Society"
machines, with "code language", contempt for guys who wanted to be
provider/husbands to them and all the shit. Go look elsewhere from the
countryside of start to travel in III world countries WITHOUT bringing her to
Toronto. If you marry a woman from a traditional country go to live in a small
town in the countryside with her. Make with her CLEAR (like I did with my wife)
that you have only two frames you can enjoy:
- Being a playboy
- Being a family man
And make clear that you get back to the playboy frame fast like the light if
she tells you:"Honey I have a evening with my girlfriends tonight and you are
not invited".. You can sub-communicated this. Women will understand no matter
from where they are.
>The countryside is a bit better. Girls
>who grew up on farms are among the best
>ones. They were put to work and got
>their hands dirty.
So try with them if you want a LTR or start to travel and bring a woman there.
Toronto area is for players.
Franco
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