The Top Pickup Artist Forum On The Internet: Fast Seduction 101

mASF post by "rocker44"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, May 5, 2005

On 5/10/05 6:05:00 AM, swordfish wrote:
>I think the greatest problem
>for the newbies that come to
>this site is the player guide
>or the f.a.q they find here.
>In my opinion it is far too
>overcomplicating and it turns
>something that should be
>natural into rocket science.
>I used to read the guide one
>year ago, and some of its
>content can be helpful, but
>most of it is crap.
>The 3 seconds rule,Trance
>words,Eliciting
>values,Mirroring,opinion
>openers,Patterning...
>Do you really think this will
>get you laid?
>

Most of this stuff is still useful. I actually still like the guide as well as
the maniac plan. It's very good for it's intended purpose of shocking people
out of their AFC realities and introducing them to new concepts. The only
problem I see with it is the creepy SS speak used in some of the older posts.

It's all part of the learning curb. You can't very well 'transition to natural
game' if you're still having trouble making basic eye contact and can't even
follow the 3 second rule. Sure it needs updated but it isn't awful or anything.
There is no 'problem' with ASF, it's just a chatboard.

Opinion openers aren't even taught in the guide, only on the board and they're
probably one of the most useful things taught here. What's wrong with something
like Jealous gf opener that will consistently open 95% of the sets you
approach? Everyone good that I've met in the community (I've met up with quite
a few people) uses opinion openers at least some of the time.