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mASF post by "zarathustra_fi"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, April 4, 2005

On 4/25/05 3:45:00 PM, Heisse wrote:

Heisse,

>Thank you for your reply
>Franco, I always get pearls of
>wisdom from your posts.

Thanks for the appreciation, Heisse.

>IOW how parents treated them when they
>were 13? How do you segway into such
>topics? I don't want it to sound like
>questioning.

It is not easy. Anyway one can use indirect EV (btw EV MUST be always
indirect!). There is nothing bad in asking about her family if it is done
politely and in the course of a otherwise neutral conversation.

Franco:"So you told me your dad is stilly playing rugby at his age?"
HB:"Yes.."
Franco:"He sure has to be a tough guy.. Bet he is pretty successful in life.."
HB:"Yes. He is at the head of a computer company.."
Franco:"Must be really tough job.."
HB:"Yes.. he is pretty nervous when he comes home.."
Franco:"Well I am sure he knows how to relax.."
HB:"Well .. if you don´t take in account the whisky he is used to drink..
Franco:"He likes whiski?"
HB:"Yes.. too much.."
Franco:"Too much?"

Hb at this point maybe tells how her father shouts at her when he is drunk..or
how he cheats on his wife and then is 3 days away from home without telling..

>Hehe. Describes my LSE ex-FB perfectly.
>Her mother slept around, her father
>drank and beat his wife and daughter.
>She received love only from her
>grandmother.

Yes and if one deliberately tries to gain the above information fast he will
know already much about the lady to know in which place to put her in the own
network. For examplet his lady is ok as FB, maybe secondary in MLTRs NEVER as
primary and for sure not a candidate for LTR!

>How do you elicit that? They only say "I
>want you" and can't say "I need you"?

This is even more difficult. Look at the former relationships. Did she really
care for someone else´s needs or was she narcissistically self-centered? Is she
interested only about things like sex, power, attention or has she the skill of
truly care for another person? One VERY important thing is to detect the women
who are able to care ONLY for chidren and not for the man. For example my LD
former seconday HBSwedish is a dangerous woman: she is a perfect mother but
TOTALLY narcissistic and selfish in regard to her man. I did not face trouble
because I was her lover. Now she respected me not because she really cared
about me but because I was for her THE POWER of something she CANNOT REACH (=
Challenge).


>>I EVd my wife in many indirect ways
>How do you do indirect EV?

There are good examples of this in the Player Guide here. It is enough to have
superficial conversations and "hide" the questions about the things you want to
know in the context of other superficial subjects. For example in the above
example I start talking about her father rugby and from there I have her talk
about how he relaxes when he comes home and finally about HIS ALCOHOLISM AND
HOW HE TREATS HER..

Sidenote: when guys here critize EV as seduction technique they are right IF
the guy considers this a way to SEDUCE her. But for me indirect EV is only a
way to SCREEN and also GAIN INFORMATION about HOW to seduce her. I mean one can
quickly gain lot of useful information by indirect EV.


Franco
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