mASF post by "throughfare"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, August 8, 2004Hey SirD,
Some thoughts . . .
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:23:00 -0400, Sirducer wrote:
>A PUA CANT be in an LTR or have a LTR FB.
Lots of PUAs have made LTRs work.
Svengali invented the concept of MLTR, with a primary
A guy from Toronto who posts on other forums maintains a stable of
about 5 - 6 co-equal MLTRs
Others have gotten a LTR who is Bi and they do threesomes
One PUA from the old usenet ASF even found a woman who was meeting his
every need & married her and had a successful relationship. In fact
there's a master PUA in Montreal who is in a great non-exclusive
marriage.
>No! This stuff will only fuck things up for the PUA!
Not neccessarily, but it will if you don't have the right woman
> Ive got a real problem with my LTR now, so does Neo-Rio, we
>both cant shake of LTRs cos no matter what they do they only want to be with
>us! If we be bad to them they love us, if we act nice to them then they love
us
>more! Its a no win zone!
These are not the right women
OTOH, get ahold of the recent issue of Clifford's List in which he
interviews a fellow who goes by the handle of DOC on the list
>I definately wont be doing this again.
You shouldn't, but don't write off LTRs- find the right women & manage
them better . . .
>Lately Ive had a FB of like a few weeks. I fucked her 4 times and moved on,
she
>actually didnt return my SMS. NEXT! No emotional attachment, no stalking, no
>hurt, just memories of sex!
>
>One must realise that THIS is the PUA lifestyle! You meet a HB, you fuck a HB
a
>few times, you move on!
This is one valid PUA lifestyle, but not the only one.
> If you have a really tight game and can convert her and
>get her to agree to be your MLTR FB then your a legend cos I so far couldnt
>achieve this... teach me how please!
I can't recommend the inteview with Doc on Cliff's List too highly
Also- here's a blast from the past . . .
From: ''Svengali''
Newsgroups: alt. seduction.fast
Sent: 30 November 1999 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Sven's multiple LTR theory
MrSex4uNYC wrote:
I like Sven's multiple LTR theory.
:-)
>I have noticed now that I am TALKING to chicks,
>that they all believe ONE THING UNIVERSALLY
>about me then decide on how they are going to
>react to that belief. they ALL believe I am
>going to "hit and run" fuck them then dump them
> forever. on to the next chick...
Sounds like an episode of "Cheers" I saw where Sam Malone learned that
the only woman that would want to be with him long term, was Diane.
Unfortunately, it's also what I went through many, many, many years
ago that I had to learn to recover from.
> Snipped remaining.
Here's something that you can try immediately. and see an immediate
difference.
Keep in mind this does NOT preclude letting go of and not using any of
the knowing and skills you have, just a twist in the way you use them.
Go to where you usually go to meet women, only this time just go with
the attitude that you're going to meet and talk with whatever woman,
and women, that for whatever reason, turns you on from an interesting
point of view. In other words, forget about facial and body beauty
for a moment, forget about years, and just zero in on that woman,
later other woman, later other woman, who appeals to you for
god-knows-chat reason. It could be something she's doing, something
she's wearing, something about her that for whatever reason has you
wondering what she is like. ,Now before you or anyone gets into it,
I'm not saying chow down on a dog, although a 5-10 minute courtesy
with them will, somewhere down the line, bring you more great women
then you can imagine. But that's another story. Having said thus, if
she's physically a turn-off to you, you won't notice that
"interestingness" about her anyway. So it really doesn't matter.}
When you meet her, talk with her about the special something that said
to you, "that's interesting/she's interesting in some special way that
I can't put my finger on, I think I'll find out more about it and
her".
If you are Sincere/genuine, about this, a certain magic occurs Where
she pours her heart and soul out to you (you'll still need to use your
knowings and skills for awhile), and you'll quickly see, in her eyes.
that she is falling in love and lust with you at such an accelerated
rate, it will knock your socks off:
Don't burst her bubble, but don't lead her on either. Just go with the
flow.
Having said this, there's something else that you must do
--screen her! That's right screen her. By that I mean you shift the
tables and screen her for the qualities that you are looking for in a
woman, and whatever kind of relationship you want with this particular
woman, and/or women in general.
An interesting thing happens when you do this... women sense and know
what you're doing (screening than as a potential partner) and they
become all flustered because they want to say the right things, to
have you, but they don't know what those things arc. So they try and
find out more about you to (a) say the right things, and (b) to take
back that power and start screening you. {Here's where your knowing
and skills come in to keep her talking about herself: and to keep her
talking about what you want to know about her.;
The really neat thing about this is that you are no longer seen as a
"player" or "dog" by the outside world, but rather --do I dare say
it?-- a genuinely nice guy who just likes to get to know people. (Do
it with guys --you know what I mean-- too. Thus way they'll become
your allies, rather then your competitors or enemies.) In no time at
all your whole reputation will change, and people will be coming or;
to you constantly to share something with you.
To do this, you MUST give up on the idea of scoring with every wornan.
and more importantly, with every woman you know you could "do". Ire
otherwords, you must now become selective about who you want to lie
with sexually and physically, and why you want to be with them
So let's say that you like to play tennis and you saw, this plain
woman who, for whatever reason (non verbally) said to you "nearly even
woman in here is better looking then she is. Yet there's something
about her... ", and you meet her. And you discover what it was (god,
it's exciting to me to even think about it). In the course of learning
about it, and her, you learn that she plays tennis a lot, and from
your knowing, skills and kino application, you fulfill her
knight/adventure fantasy and do her someplace other then
your or her apartment. This locks in your being a really great and
exciting guy, who is genuinely interested in her. With the sex out of
the way, you now Want To see her because she also plays a lot of
tennis, like you do, and believe me, there's nothing like playing
tennis with a woman in a tennis skirt with no panties or underwear. So
you're going to want to call her the next time you want to play tennis
(knowing, that With the tennis they is sex too), and she is going to
want to be with you because she is not thinking that you're only
calling her to get in her pants (you've already done that), but to
talk to and be with her. 'It's an extremely subtle yet Very profound
shift that takes place when done this way,}
Aright, now let's say that you met an interesting woman and in
screening her for personality traits similar to your own, you discover
--in ten to twenty minutes-- that her personality leaves much to be
desired. Fine. Thank her for the conversation and leave. Repeat with
the next "something-about-her" woman that you see:.
And here is where your reputation changes from being a "player" or
"dog" to the outside world, to that of just being a nice, friendly.
curious guy who gets along w ith everyone, if you take the time to do
this with some guys too.
However, you will destroy your new great reputation if you go around,
bragging that you bagged this woman or that, or if you start talking
negatively about her or him. {Blow your steam, or bragging off
-anonymously-- in this group or similar location.)
This is a very subtle change "NYC" because, like I said, it does Not
mean giving up the communication skills you have learned and use. Nor
does it mean giving up kino, or any of the other knowledge you have
and things you do. Rather it's the way and how you now apply them that
changes .
If you try this for a month or two you will quickly discover that you
no longer go out to meet women because you are talking to and meeting
fascinating women everywhere. Plus your always going to and doing what
you love, with really great women, who you are having sex with too.
Additionally, you are never trying to get them to do anything, but
rather you're just fulfilling their fantasies and desire::.
See what you haven't learned vet (this is NOT a put-Down, and it's
Solely based on your postings) is that after you're with a woman for
awhile, she starts telling you all kinds of things that she. would
like to do that she's dreamed about. So you, being the good/great guy
that you are, take the nude pictures of her. Do the porn movie she
would like to do. Go to the swinging events she would like to
experience Have sex in the park, on the airplane, in the pool, etc.
What's happening with you, based on your posts, is that you're.
quickly screening all the women for that one woman who will have
no-strings-attached sex with you right now. And word is getting
around, and I would dare say, some women are putting up amazing blocks
just to show; say to others, "see if couldn't do it/I wouldn't let him
do it with me". But, by you're not gearing everything toward the one
night stand, and by YOU saying "no" to women you KNOW you could have
that night, you change the dynamics of everything as its seen that
you're just being friendly, and screening for potential partners too.
Remember when you posted on more then one occasion about chicks being
competitive? When it's heard/seen that you're a friendly great guy.
who also
Appears To Be screening for a potential partner too (you never admit
or deny
that you are), what do you think happens'?
You got it! Only now, they are competing for your Long Term affections
and
company, which means they have to do things over, and over, and over
again,
rather then once you've been used to.
You've heard me say here, that I don't do "wingmen" along with my
stating
why. I'm going to use that concept and what I just presented to you to
explain what would happen if I met you in NY, and we both we're using
the
"Svengali" (for lack of a better term) way.
First, you would see me coming off the plane, talking with someone,
bidding
them farewell in the way I have determined. Then as we're going
through the
airport, you or I would see some woman and we would go meet her
because
there's something about her... let's say it was you who spotted and
wanted
to meet some intriguing woman. I would just smile, listen and be
fascinated
by what she would say as you were communicating with her. My only
comments
would be those that I felt you didn't pick up on, to further lead her
into
conversation. This would take 10-20 minutes, and in that time you
would know
where you wanted to go with her, and what you wanted to do next.
Because
we'd both be skilled at this technique, I would see what is happening,
and
if need be, because that would be appropriate, go to the hotel without
you
where you would meet me later. If, however, she didn't have the
qualities
you were looking for, we would go through the airport, perhaps
repeating
this process several times. We would do the same when we got to the
hotel,
and the restaurant, and wherever else we decided to go. Somewhere
along the
line you and I would be having sex with a woman within a couple-three
hours
of meeting her, and so our desire for sex would be lacking for awhile.
That
means that one or both of us would NOT be gearing our vocal and
physical
actions toward having sex with any woman we found fascinating at the
moment,
but rather, we would either get her number, or as I usually do, just
pass on the opportunity to be with her sometime.
Now let's say that you and I decided to play tennis the next day,, and
you
had someone you play tennis and have sex with, and wanted to do
doubles. My
screening process, with the fascinating woman I found then, would be,
does
she like to play tennis and is she any good at it' Once I found that,
we
would have a doubles game, and if you were into it, a "foursome" too.
And
that's the way our whole time would go. So we would be doing what we
want to
do, and we would each be doing what we want to do, with who we want to
do it
with, too.
That brings up the type of relationship question: hog, long, what
type, etc.
Here's how I do it: I learn how many things she likes/loves to do that
I do
too. I also learn her Natural personality traits that comes from her
actions, not just her words. So let's say that she likes to fly,
skydive;
play racquetball, tennis and volleyball, in addition to baking on the
spot
sex every time we get together. fm going to lie with this kind of
woman a
lot, because I like to do those things a lot. But if she only likes to
do
one of them, then I'm not going to be with her very often, and just
maintain
the relationship with an occasional five-ten minute phone conversation
now,
and then
If she changes where she suddenly does like all that affection (kino )
I
like to provide and receive, the relationship on my part is going to
change
too. In other words, she may find herself replaced with a woman who is
like
her in the activities department, but now better then her (from the
standpoint of what fir. looking for) M' the. Personality" department.
Let's take the next most important item --sex. As you have seen me
post, in
my opinion, there is absolutely no reason for me to be with
Any woman, beyond a few minutes, who I'm not Also having sex with.
After all, if all I'm wanting is to play basketball, I can do that
with
my guy friends, right? So during or after the activity(s) we both
like/loves I'm into sex with her. But if she is not into having sex
with me, I merely end our time together, in a nice way, and don't call
or see her anymore. Nine times out of ten the inevitable phone call of
why have I stopped calling her comes, and I explain to her just what l
said here. Those that get pissed about it get a "have a good life"
from me, and those that understand and accept it, are seen by me again
No pressure, just a simple laying-my-cards-on-the-table with her,
procedure.
Do some complain? You bet. But it's there choice as I'm
not forcing anyone to do anything. If they don't like it, go meet and
be
with another guy, right`? Any woman that doesn't like this is
saying that she wants things her own way, and is that the kind of
woman you
want to be with --one you're already in conflict with`?
As a result of meeting this and that fascinating woman, I'm n meeting
women
of all generations who like to do one, two, three, four or more
of the things that I like to do, and has the personality traits I'm
wanting
her to have too. So let's say that I have a woman whose only
compatible activity with me is skydiving, who I see when I want to do
that in addition to having sex. However let's say that I meet a woman
who
loves skydiving and racquetball. Now I have someone that I cast be
with for more then one activity reason, in addition to sex. That means
I will let go of --via fewer and fewer phone calls and meetings over
time -- the one activity woman, and replace her with the two
activities
woman. And two's get replaced 3, three's and the three's by
four, well you get the idea.
However, you mileage may vary. So you have to decide what is it you
would
like and want, and then arrange things to fit your desires.
Now here's something that I doubt you or anyone would ever hear me
say...
I'm in love with these women. Not all of them, but a great many of
them.
See, I like being in love. This does NOT mean, however, that feel I
have to
make a monogamist commitment to any of them. In face, as often comes
up,
when they push for it, and nearly all of them do after a few years, I
have
to let them go so They can have what They want with Another. Does this
make
me vulnerable? You bet. Does thus bring me pain? You bet. But if I
didn't
allow for vulnerability and pain, there would be no openness and love
coming
from any of the women. and that would be the worst possible thing.
When a woman leaves me for lack of permanent long term monogamous
commitment, the very first thing she screens for is a guy looking for
one.
And with so many guys wanting and looking for that from moment one, fm
actually doing slot of guys a BIG. Big Big favour by being the way I
am.)
This brings up something else you must know and deal with: your own
temperament. You canNOT have this kind of arrangement if you're into
total
control, rather then flow. what I mean by this is, if you're wanting
to know
what they do, who they're with, and all that other stuff when they're
not
with you, and attempt to control their away-from-you actions, you've
doomed
yourself:
My attitude is this: I don't care if she's fucking and sucking off
every guy
on the NY Jets when she's not with me, or if she dresses like a nun,
or damn
near anything else. I screen, watch for and stay away from alcoholics,
druggies, criminal and Uncompassionate behaviour. All I'm interested
in is
"does she want to be with. me when I call", and "does she provide me
with
what I want when she is with me"? Having my tells me that when a woman
is
with me, she Really Wants to be with me, to do what I want to do, more
so
then being with, or doing anything and everything else that she could
be
doing. That makes me special and feeling really good, proud, and
confident
from the get-go.
BTW, you have to have a little give and take in thus relationship
set-up
because not every woman is going to be able to do what you want to do.
When
you want to be doing it. But what do you care --you have other women
you can call on. And if by some duster none of them wanted to be with
you at that particular time (never had it happen to me), what do you
care as you still leave the skills to meet and leave" anyone you wait.
Naturally, you cannot do this if you're living with someone which is
why I advocate NOT cohabiting with anyone. This doesn't mean that
you shouldn't or can't have overnight or long term --which to me, is a
maximum of one week--guests. It simply means that you lose all your
freedom and the ability to have what you want, when you want it. When
you have a live-in. I cannot emphasize this strongly enough...DON'T DO
IT!
Better that you park your ass over her place for awhile (which means
you're free to get up and leave anytime you want), then for her to
park: her ass over yours.
I've gone on too long, so let me bring, this to a conclusion I've done
it your find-'em-feel-'em-fuck-'em-one-night-stand way for a few
years, and that, I've discovered, is far too much work and only leads
to burn-out. The way I do it now is far more comfortable, easy,
pleasure filled and fun..
You're starting to get up there in years, "NYC". So if you want the
best of both worlds --married and single--without being either. and if
you want to continue on with this game well into your thirties.
forties, fifties and beyond, then you need to do it in a relaxed.
comfortable, easy-going, fun filled, loving way. Try it for awhile...
you won't want to go back to your previous way .
I remind you of the often maligned bull story: papa Bull and baby bull
are up on top a hill eating grass, when the baby bull turns around and
sees a herd of cows down in valley below.
So baby bull in his excitement says to papa bull, "papa' There's a
herd of cows down there in the valley below. Let's run down the hill
and fuck some, like we were meant to do". To which the papa bull
replied "son, I've got better idea. Why don't you and I just walk down
the hill, and and then we won't frighten the herd away, and then we'll
have the energy to fuck all of them".
My best to you and everyone.
Should you need any more details, or anything else you feel I might be
able to help you with, Please do not hesitate to ask.
Take care.
--
If life's a bitch...
fuck her!
'oo'
Svengali
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