mASF post by "OceanEyes"
posted on: alt.seduction.relationships, June 6, 2005On 6/16/05 3:09:00 PM, PussyForever wrote:
>
>Hi all . I figured I would try
>to post here and gain better
>understanding of why this
>seems to happen to me over and
>over. The thing is there is
>no place to talk and learn
>about that stuff, male friends
>don't talk much about that
>stuff or are clueless
>themselves
This post smells a bit like a troll,
but I can definitely relate to your
experience anyway.
>
>Some background info I am in
>my late 20's, . I traveled a
>bit in the US and Europe, have
>met women in all those places.
>I used to have no clue of what
>I was doing until I read the
>Playboy article on Ross
>Jeffries, bought the book
>which is one of the best self
>help book I have read. I read
>also some De Angelo stuff
>and "The System" which is very
>interesting. With that I don't
>have much problem approaching
>women in general. I am lucky
>enough to be good looking ,
Or unlucky enough. Good looking guys
with no game are horribly incongruent
to women. If you have no game, in my
opinion, you are much better off being
average looking. Otherwise, you *will*
come across as a creepy weirdo.
>get a lot of looks from women.
>I don't get a LOT of girls but
>I enjoy approaching women
>independently of the outcome.
>Whenever I end up dating
>someone, it works rather well
>since we kiss and then
>sometimes have sex. Then it's
>over. Some stop calling
>altogether, say they are not
>the right girl for me, are too
>busy for a relationship, don't
>want a relationship, etc.
>I recently met someone who I
>was moderately attracted too
>physically but whose quality
>of honesty and kindness I
>thought were exceptional and I
>went into relationship mode
>after 3 weeks as I also
>thought for sure that's what
>she was looking for as well
>(or sent such signals such as
>talking about buying a dog and
>a house). Now the "perfect
>wife" turned into one of the
>most insensitive bitch I met.
She will make a perfect wife for
some guy that won't put up with
her bullshit. From this morning,
convo with gf after nice loving
session:
Her: "I want to capture you and keep
you here forever."
Me: "No way. If you did that, as soon
as you had me you would throw me away."
Her: "Well, capture you for a little while
when I can."
Me: "That's better."
Note: This woman is in love with me, but she
knows that she hasn't captured me, and suspects
(correctly) that she cannot ever "capture" me.
>She just kept canceling dates,
>can come to my town to visit,
>then eventually admitted she
>had no time( read:desire )for
>a relationship.
>I don't get it. The sex was
>great (I am pretty sure of
>that ) as is most often the
The sex for you was great. If it was
great for her, she would be banging
down your door to get it. This is
a fact, deal with it. It doesn't
make you a bad person, it just means
you are not sexually exciting. The
good news is that being sexually exciting
has almost nothing to do with the
physical act of copulation.
>case. I absolutely love
>eating pussy and spend hours
>doing it, I think I have
>begged girls just to do it and
>nothing else . Anyway you
>would think that alone should
Now you have evidence that begging
to lick some chick's pussy will not
keep them around, will you keep
doing it?
Licking a woman's genitalia should
be a reward that you grant her for
whatever reason YOU think she ought
to be rewarded.
While you're at it, it's not too difficult
to reframe anal as a reward, once she
has a few anal orgasms.
>make them stay at least for a
>couple of weeks (or months). I
>haven't had a lot of
>relationships , lots of one
>night stands and short term
>affairs but they never last
>very long. I do tend to be
>what is called a wuss, and I
>am way too nice offering help
>etc and I tend to seek
>physical contact when we are
>together, hugging, cuddling
>kissing etc, but I stay aware
>of it and don't think I am
>doing too much. I also get
The evidence seems to indicate you
still suffer from wussiness.
>worried about her safety and
>say things sometimes your
>parents would say to you.
Ugh. She is a big girl. if
she goes out and gets her purse
snatched in a sketchy part of town,
just laugh and tell her she was
acting like idiot to be there in
first place, and she is lucky she
only lost her purse and not a couple
quarts of blood. Treat her like
a grown up, expect her to act like
a grown up.
>Anyway often time I don't even
>get to that point, since
>it was a one night stand or we
>just had a couple of dates.
>Ahh yes I am broke, having no
>real job/income ( let's say I
>am an entrepreneur ) but that
>doesn't show I think other
>than I am tightwad but I try
>to hide that :). I am always
>very well dressed and
>everything and go to nice
>places. That last girl I was
>with said she felt I was
>checking on her all the time
>cos I was calling her every
>day for a week , when she was
Try calling a different girl every
day of the week.
>studying for a very important
>exam . I said I was just
>trying to show support by
>calling to say Hi how you're
>doing . I also taught her some
>NLP techniques to gain
>confidence for that exam. I
>don't see how that could have
>put her off. I bought her
>some gifts, clothes and little
>things and get the most
>insensitive feedback I recall
>getting.
>OK most of these girls are not
>supergorgeous, usually 7 to
>9ish, so not the cold
>bitches that think they are
>hot shit. I have even had some
>not so attractive girls, not
>returning calls, canceling
>dates and disappearing WTF ? !
>I guess I have to become
>completely insensitive
Ok, to paraphrase TD from last night:
You are uglier than a fat chick.
This is a fact. Your game plan is
no good. Don't try harder, change
game plans.
You do not have to become completely
insensitive. Don't be a social robot.
Be sensitive to what the girl is
actually feeling, instead of what you
are feeling, or what you *think* she is
feeling. In my case, my girlfriend tells
me practically in the same breathe that
I am the most sensitive boyfriend she
ever had, and she really appreciates
that I don't take her too seriously.
To an AFC, this sounds like pure chick
logic, but it's not; I understand exactly
what she means because I know when to
take her seriously, and when to blow her off.
Just to make the point clear, my gf knows
exactly my taste in women, because I make
it abundantly clear who I think is fuckable
and who I wouldn't fuck with your dick.
The book I would most recommend to you is
Leil Lowndes "How to Make Anyone Fall in
Love with You." Leil has some excellent
points about value, and in her system,
you are demonstrating MUCH lower value to
these women. For a ONS, they can brag about
the hottie they bagged, but for a relationship,
not even fat chicks are attracted to a needy wuss.
Read Lowndes book a few times, and a lot of the
information on this site will make sense.
-OE
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