mASF post by "zarathustra_fi"
posted on: mASF forum: Field Reports Discussion, July 7, 2005On 7/17/05 2:46:00 AM, Iron_Rinn wrote:
Interesting situation. I think what you missed here is the knowledge that every
group situation is also a leadership situation and you gotta take the lead in
the group.
To let chicks LEAD the group situation where you are is practically the same
like let the chicks CUT YOUR DICK OFF. Now there are some chicks who like to be
dominant and game guys like these ones but you gotta show also to THEM that you
are the LEADER if you want to fuck them. This is a LAW OF NATURE and neither
you, neither the chicks can change it.
>I've got another mistake to
>learn from.
>Suggestions will be welcomed.
>I was at a bar downtown,
>chilling w/ a couple buddies,
>when I noticed a 2-set. HB 8
>with a UG. I cold approached
>directly and moved quickly
>into a couple routines I’ve
>stacked. I directed most of
>my attention to the UG in an
>attempt to get the target’s
>attention and create some
>jealousy. Unfortunately, the
>UG locked onto me and –
>although she may have been
>attracted to me – the HB
>started to back off.
Could you say in which country this happens and which is the ethnicity. There
are countries like my country Italy where loyalty between persons is a very
important thing. This kind of approach may work well in places with strong
Secret Society presence but there are also places where the HB would let you go
with the UG for loyalty to her if she sees that the UG is attracted.
Another option is that the HB and the UG understood what you were doing and
their next move seems to be a perfect counteraction against your first move.
I could
>sense that the more I tried
>for HB’s attention, the more
>distant she became and the
>more UG locked in.
>Unfortunately by the time I
>reached a certain point there
>were no positive returns for
>focusing attention on the UG.
So your first move is not working. You need to quickly change into something
else.
>It was around this time that
>the HB and UG got together and
>started giggling about a
>couple guys they saw.
Ok, here they are DOING TO YOU what you were trying to do to the HB by using
the UG.
>They
>said they really wanted to
>talk to one of the guys in
>particular but were too shy.
>They pointed him out to me, he
>was a good looking guy but –
>from afar – didn’t seem to
>have any game. They kept on
>talking about how cute he was
>and how much they wanted to
>meet him.
I don´t know why but my instinct tell me that these chicks in a way or another
figured out what you were doing at the beginning. Now they attempt to castrate
you psychologically in the group by putting you in the "malegirlfriend pivot"
role.
Here is a situation where you need to take the LEADERSHIP over both of them and
show them that you are the one to own the DICK and not them.
And what I would have done? This:
Franco: "Hmm.. this is exciting.. are we going to ask that guy here? Tell me,
what about that guy turns you on? Ladies you really are naughty, both of you.."
and then HEAVY KINO ON BOTH OF THEM. I mean hand by hand with the HB and hand
on the ass of the UG + evil smile a la Jack Nicholon (heavy kino with the focus
little bit on the UG just to test them)
If they would have persisted in trying to take the leadership over me I would
have switched to another set after saying:"I like him, too. Ask him if he wants
to come down here to hug me..", at this point I could have squeezed the nipple
of the HB.
>I introduced the HB and the UG
>to the guy and his friend. He
>was very nice to me and seemed
>rather shy. The HB was about
>to buy me my beer, but instead
>he volunteered to buy it for
>me and we all obliged.
Ahahah. What a nice guy! Anyway your mistake with this move is connected with
the group dynamics. You actually give the LEAD TO THEM. Now they are gaming
BOTH OF YOU.
A good move would have been ANY MOVE which would have preserved your frame of
YOU GAMING THEM. ( including the guy)
Also the nice guy by buying the beer destroyed your dominance frame on the
chicks. Would have been much better if she would have bought the beer to you.
This was only lack of luck.
>The
>two of them went to the bar to
>buy my beer as I leaned back
>smugly against the wall
>awaiting my drink.
>Unfortunately, by the time the
>two of them returned they had
>hit it off fairly well. I
>talked with the two of them
>and felt that I was getting
>some IOI’s from the HB. I
>tried to blow the guy out of
>the water but it clearly
>wasn’t working. The more I
>tried to blow him out, the
>better he looked. The more I
>laid back, the more he moved
>in.
>The guy left to go to the
>restroom, and I gave it a
>final shot. I told the HB
>that I was going to find out
>what she was really like by
>running the cube. She was
>into the idea.
Here the cube thing comes out like little bit supplicant even if she was into
it because THE CHICKS GOT THE LEAD AND THEY ARE GAMING YOU AND HIM.
½ way through
>the cube, the guy returned
>and, as I was giving her the
>interpretation, the dynamics
>shifted to my explaining the
>interpretation to both the
>girl and the guy. I started
>to feel like the two of them
>were getting closer together
>and I was just providing their
>entertainment.
Yes, that is what happens, maybe you fail to detect the fact that the chicks
are gaming HIM, too. NEVER, NEVER GIVE THE LEAD TO CHICKS. If they persist in
wanting the lead freeze out, do take aways but never let them to lead the group
situation. What´s your guess? With which percent of probability this guy will
have sex with the HB, will they stop at the making out of will they have sex?
>I told them I was going to
>hang with my friends for a
>while. (Figured my absence
>may increase HB’s interest in
>me.) I returned 15 minutes
>later to find them making out
>in the corner of the bar.
If they have sex SHE IS THE ONE TO FUCK HIM and not HIM TO FUCK HER. I mean
they have sex yes but the leadership is to her. You should avoid ANY group
situation where you LOOSE THE LEADERSHIP OVER THE GROUP.
Sometimes better eject and run another set in front of them instead of loosing
the leadership.
By the way. French writer Francouise De La Rochefoucald wrote once:"One can be
smarter than someone else but not smarter than everybody". LOL.
Franco
http://www.franco-seduction.com
Online Seduction School for Single Men, Husbands & Players
"Sarge Est Necesse, Vivere Necesse Non Est " Gnaeus Pompeius, revised
>Lessons learned:
>-This learning process is a
>hell of a lot of work. By
>studying my setbacks I can
>improve my skills.
>-I ejected too early. This is
>a major sticking point for me.
>I come from a background of
>low self esteem so at the
>first sign of perceived
>disinterest from the girl, I
>leave. I need to practice
>staying in the set until I am
>getting laid or am forcibly
>removed (hopefully the former)
>-Do not bring OTHER GUYS into
>the set. It will only hurt my
>cause.
>-If another guy takes over my
>set, take more active steps to
>get rid of him.
>
>Question:
>
>What is a better way to deal
>with this situation - where
>the target expresses interest
>in a random guy in the bar?
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