mASF post by "zarathustra_fi"
posted on: alt.seduction.relationships, July 7, 2005On 7/12/05 5:13:00 PM, OceanEyes wrote:
>What I seem to be noticing is that
>unless
>you establish yourself as secret society
>with a woman right away, the more she
>has invested in any kind of relationship
>with you, the less likely she is to
>accept
>you as secret society later on.
YES, the START is CRUCIAL. The best way is to ENTER her life as player and if
interested in a LTR with her when she starts the operation:"I want to own my
Alpha male" you can play her like a violin and calibrate FROM THERE IF you
sub-communicated yourself as player from the beginning or even OVERTLY
communicated like I did with my wife.
>In my case, I started participating in
>the
>community shortly after I started seeing
>my
>current LTR. At first she thought it
>was
>mildly interesting that I was taking the
>time
>to understand women. Then she decided
>that
>she wasn't sure she liked the idea. Now
>she definitely does not want me
>"analyzing"
>behavior, and she tells me that all of
>my
>observations are untrue.
Of course. You put yourself in the Provider role a moment before you could
sub-communicate being a player and now she is taking all her "interest" in
"freemindedness" back. YOU CAN EASILY PLAY HER FROM THERE. I do not think what
happened in your case is not possible to reframe. When I came in as player my
wife told me how she fucked with a guy in Firenze the summer before she met me,
all the story about her 15 years long relationship with her lover, which was
"sexless" the first 5 years, she told me early on:"Franco you are a bad guy and
this is good because with a bad guy I can be myself", she told me that her best
girlfriend HBPsycho was in Dubai with an older impotent man who bought a
younger guy to have her fucked in hotel in front of him and paid things for
her, she told how she was cockteasing guys at night in their aparment and as
soon as we felt in love and we started to be comitted she started to tell me
stories about the "soul" and how important is not to "share the aura with other
people", be committed and so on.. how she does not want to "share me with
others" when I run on her my 3some test. But as I sub-communicated myself as
player EARLY ON she had absolutely NO POSSIBILITY of feeding me with BS.
She had told already TOO MUCH to me. Afterwards she tried to reframe the
HBPsycho's thing as:"That older man was saving her from her family situation..
the grandmother with Alzheimer and bla bla bla.." and me.."Yes.. I understand,
also my grandfather had dementia when I was a young boy and I would have loved
to be saved with a very young HB!"
So you need to be fast in ENTERING the relationship as player. From there you
can CALIBRATE.
>Statistically,
>that would be difficult to swallow.
>Since I
>do have a phd in engineering, I am used
>to observing phenomena and drawing the
>appropriate conclusions, so being 100%
>wrong is more than faintly ridiculous.
Yes, and as engineer your logic tells you that there was a delay in time
between starting the LTR and telling her that you are a player which effects
the whole process and I would say you are 100% right about it.
Franco
http://www.franco-seduction.com
Online Seduction School for Single Men, Husbands & Players
"Sarge Est Necesse, Vivere Necesse Non Est " Gnaeus Pompeius, revised
>[]
>
>>So guys: be players and you will be
>>WINNERS in Relationships.
>
>I don't know if this is true, but in
>my experience, NOT being a player has
>resulting in loserness every time.
>
>>
>>Franco
>>http://www.franco-seduction.com
>>Online Seduction School for Single Men,
>>Husbands & Players
>>
>>"Sarge Est Necesse, Vivere Necesse Non
>>Est " Gnaeus Pompeius, revised
>
>[]
>
>-OE
>
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>
>OE's First Law: Any sufficiently long
>thread on mASF devolves into a flame war
>about SS.
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