The Top Pickup Artist Forum On The Internet: Fast Seduction 101

mASF post by "zarathustra_fi"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, June 6, 2005

On 6/22/05 7:51:00 AM, Choline wrote:

Choline,
I assume you sarge in Finland. I was just reading your answer to the other
post. With a Finnish chick one has to be very careful to not over qualify
himself.

>I'm looking some high-quality
>C&F material how to pass
>stupid chick question that I
>regularly meet in my PUA
>attempts when some point
>target asks "That do I have
>girlfriend?”

If the Finnish chick who asks this can be clearly categorized as Secret Society
chick - I have in mind a Finnish chick living in the center of Helsinki as
single, who had several relationships before and who hates commitment more than
syphilis - then one can change the answer which would work with an American
chick:

"Which one of them are you talking about? With smile.."

Into something more indeterminate like:

"Well.. I had a girlfriend but she was being possessive on me.. also very
jealous. We decide some times ago to quit..Now it feels like I am not for
anything.. about the future I don´t know."

Now with this you avoid over qualifying as a "Peluri" (Player) and at the same
time you telegraph to her that you are not into serious relationships (= Secret
Society guy )

Why one needs to be "smoother" in qualifying himself as Player (only at the
beginning!)? Because if she is even slightly LSE like many Finnish chicks are
she will disqualify herself like this:

"No, I am not that kind of woman who wants to be with a player".

On the other hand if you answer:"Yes, I have a girlfriend"

She will disqualify herself like:

"I don´t want to mess with people who are with someone else.."

Instead by framing yourself as "The guy who had to quit a relationship with a
jealous woman" and "Is not ready yet for a relationship" you put yourself into
the very common category of "eternally single guy" who lives in the center and
is now going through his "single phase" without being out for a REAL
RELATIONSHIP.

In fact if you listen to women´s conversations about what women want in the
center of Helsinki it is regularly:"A guy who does not want a committed
relationship but is not into random sex with many women either."

>I know I should be impressed
>these kinds of questions
>because they confirm that
>target sees me as worthy by
>asking things like this and
>being interests about my
>things but somehow this
>question seem to be irrelevant
>about the fact do I get laid
>or not. So I’m looking ways to
>pass this and keep myself in
>right frame.

When Finnish chicks do these shit tests they do them to detect in you ANY
ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE THEM IN ANYWAY so they can give you the disqualifier to
avoid sex with you.

The main reason they do this is:
- Bad self-esteem
- Fear of sex
- Fear of a committed relationship while wanting all the time one.

>I try to field test C&F answer
>“thanks for asking!” or
>ignoring question for this
>next time I meet this
>situation but if you come out
>any better line up I’m open
>for suggestions.

With a Finnish chick remaining in the indeterminate with her about that shit
test means to create a situation where nothing happens - she cannot figure you
out and withdraws. Only exceptions are older single women in about 35-45 years
of age who go around generally looking for random dick and who are more
flexible.

If a Finnish chick cannot figure you out she will withdraw so you have to give
them something "fake" to figure you out and in my opinion the best thing is to
frame yourself as a "normal guy" who is "single" and "had a
girlfriend","potentially gets a lot of pussy" but "is not a player while being
actually a player."

In a word a more diplomatic and covert version of the one who would work gold
with more cocky chicks from abroad which would be:

Franco:"Girlfriend? Which one of the 7 do you mean?"

>Another stupid chick question
>from targets I regularly meet
>is that “am popular with among
>girls”?

You raised her attraction and she tries to figure out are you Provider or Lover
material.

Right answer for a chick from abroad (American, Russian ) would be:

Franco: "Yeah.. I even dance with the girls at the Moulin Rouge in Paris every
week.."

But with a Finnish chick you pretend you become little bit humble and
say:"Well.. let´s say that the right girls find me not to be the right guy for
a relationship.. but with the right woman maybe.. don´t know. I did not have
the time to think about it."

In a word: C&F with Finnish chicks has to be often "Minor Cocky" and "Minor
Funny" to not scare them away.

Also they are generally used to have guys all figured out so if you are TOO C&F
they will draw the conclusion that they cannot figure you out and they will use
the traditional Finnish solution to this: HIDE IN THE WOOD. In a word they
disappear because they are not used to guys, whom they cannot figure out.

So the "Fake weakness" is good to use with Finnish chicks: have good seduction
weapons but going UNDER THEIR RADAR.

The worst situation I have been with when I did not know Finnish chicks well
was a chick who was divorced, whom I picked up, who told from me that she likes
"Passionate men" and "Deep romantics" and whom I tongued down and masturbated
in a wood close to the center while she was giving me resistance and who
afterwards disappeared after telling me that:"You are too much of a passionate
man, Franco" there were an American or Russian woman would have been feeling
"Wow! A man with the balls!"

I know this show that
>target has very low
>self-esteem and I have
>probably put too good C&F and
>she is starting to decide that
>I’m out of her calibre or i'm
>not showing proper value.
>Sometimes am laughing my ass
>out of this happening. :D :D
>- Choline Finnish PUA

I think the thing to avoid with Finnish chicks is over qualifying. Also very
beautiful women can react to NEGs so that they are scared out of the
interaction.

Franco
http://www.franco-seduction.com
Online Seduction School for Single Men, Husbands & Players

"Sarge Est Necesse, Vivere Necesse Non Est " Gnaeus Pompeius, revised