mASF post by "zarathustra_fi"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, July 7, 2005On 7/19/05 4:24:00 PM, stevie_pua wrote:
Stevie,
this is an awesome post. Guys learn from Stevie!
I have a question for you Stevie. As you know I am interested in relationships.
As you surely know many husbands who are going through the wife´s betaising
attempt react - basing on their personality and strenght - in different ways.
- Some of them simply submit.
- Some of them become violent.
- Some of them start to argue and have fights, they shout.
- Some become depressed and alcoholic.
- Some of them start to work all the times and stay away from home from morning
to night.
- Some get lovers.
Also I noticed the many chicks who are totally submitted to their men react by
becoming masculine and frigid. So it is not a good business to put her down too
much. I believe more in being dominant but being also flexible enough to let
her express her femininity. Of course this is highly challenging. I just met a
good friend of mine and his wife in the course of my Church wedding. He is a
real tough guy and totally submitted his wife but.. she become masculine and he
started to cheat on her.. under her eyes.
I consider the men, who become violent or argue as "little bit" more alpha than
the ones who submit totally. I do not consider as very Alpha letting her to
lead own territory ( like the ones who stay away from home). It is for sure
Alpha to get lovers but then WHY the guy is still living with her if she
bitches him??? Anyway those are all reactions to the fact that she establishes
a stronger frame over the guy and/or that they have to "fight" for the frame
over time. I do not believe that in a relationship a guy can establish a
stronger frame ONCE and then relax. The truth is that he will have to do that
PERIODICALLY AGAIN AND AGAIN because she will repeat her controlling attempts
again and again.
What is your guess? If a situation like this happening to you would happen
while you live with her in the same apartment (owned by you or you and her,
without separate aparment of your own) what would happen after this stage?
I mean you are in your home then. You cannot leave the territory for a few days
because it would be symbolically like surrendering your territory to her. And
how long a man can take "emotional coldness" in the relationship? In my opinion
when a chick tries something like this she will repeat it later on.
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>I just got back from making HB
>Y cry. I feel like a bastard
>for having to do it, but I
>know deep down it was what was
>necessary and what was needed.
>She showed me non-verbally it
>was what she wanted. Let me
>explain.
>
>The past few days I sensed she
>was not 100% paying me the
>attention I require. She was
>not really listening when I
>spoke to her. In the past I
>would have got all weak and
>asked her "what's wrong". But
>that hardly ever works and by
>naming it as something wrong
>it creates that reality in her
>mind. Just like Major Mark
>says - "naming something makes
>it real. describing it brings
>it to life". Well fuck naming
>the problem and having her
>describe it to me and thereby
>bring it to life. No way.
>There is a better way and this
>is what I had to go for.
>
>I left her place and cut off
>contact with her for two days.
>I ignored her calls, ignored
>her text messages, and ignored
>her emails. She got
>increasingly worried and later
>told me she wondered if I'd
>been in an accident. Then
>after a lot of ignoring her I
>finally answered her call this
>evening and turned the tables.
>I told her it seemed that she
>wanted to have some space and
>I wanted to give that to her
>because I wanted her to be
>happy.
>
>She denied wanting space and I
>said perhaps I'd imagined it
>but she seemed not happy with
>me recently and I didn't want
>to be the cause of that
>unhappiness and if I am the
>cause of it then it is better
>if we are not together,
>because all I want is for her
>to be happy. She started
>crying and asking what I was
>talking about. The plan was
>working and later, after we
>met, she almost thanked me for
>forcing this issue.
>
>She was all tears on the phone
>because I had pulled a mind
>fuck. I showed a willingness
>to walk away, thus increasing
>my value. I knew it would work
>because she had been calling
>me so much and wanting to find
>out if I was ok. And by making
>it all apparently about making
>HER happy, she didn't know how
>to mentally-process the mind
>fuck. I said maybe I was
>imagining it all and she asked
>if we could meet. I met her
>near the train station 45
>minutes later.
>
>She was sitting there with
>tears in her eyes. I made sure
>not to talk too much. I wanted
>to gather information on her
>state and wanted her to be
>unsure of what I was feeling.
>I made sure not to show if I
>was happy or unhappy to see
>her. I was very emotionless
>outwardly. I said hi, sat next
>to her and resisted the urge
>to hold her or comfort her. I
>took her hand and led her away
>to a quieter location where
>she could cry without people
>seeing her because I knew she
>would cry more when I put her
>through a rollercoaster of
>emotions of loss and regaining
>happiness.
>
>I played with her head a bit
>more and told her it was all
>her fault for not sharing her
>fears and worries with me and
>I can't help her if she
>doesn't share them. Everyone
>has worries and therefore she
>went inside and found the
>feelings to attach to that
>word. She agreed she had not
>shared all her worries and I
>told her I can only help her
>and we can only be together in
>a proper relationship if she
>opens up more and shared her
>feelings with me, otherwise
>she will be unhappy and I
>don't want to have that kind
>of person in my life. She held
>me and promised to be more
>open and her sobs turned to
>tears of joy as we shared a
>special moment and a new
>beginning to the relationship.
>
>I engineered the whole thing,
>but it was good for her and
>she feels closer to me now.
>She also has learned I will
>walk away from her and that
>increased my value. It
>increases my influence over
>her as well. I had to be cruel
>to be kind and it felt good.
>
>
>* * * * *
>
>Underdogs come from behind
>Assassins do it from behind
>Bakers do it for the dough
>
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>
>Stevie PUA
>
>http://pua.zap.to
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