mASF post by "Harmless"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, July 7, 2004On 7/8/04 9:13:00 AM, hotlab wrote:
>On 7/8/04 7:20:00 AM, Harmless wrote:
>>If you haven't posted a LR,
>>don't pretend that you have
>>anything to say about any
>>seduction issue. I'm not
>>naming names. You know who you
>>are. If you don't know who you
>>are, I'll be more than happy
>>to let you know.
>
>Harmless, it's pretty obvious that you
>are talking about me, because I dared to
>criticize what you wrote in Advanced. If
>you aren't able to discuss the shit
>you're posting but merely seek to be
>flattered as a seduction guru then
>please at least don't get all huffy
>either.
Well, not specifically about you... but I guess it does apply, doesn't it?
>The main conflict that arises on this
>board permanently is between guys who
>are following the fast-lay philosophy
>and guys who are striving for
>relationships (and believe me there are
>plenty of them). These two approaches
>are to a large degree incompatible but
>still have many things in common. Look
>at Real_Quiet's recent post on Advanced,
>which addresses a relationship issue.
>ijjjji, who is definitely not interested
>in relationships, steps in, critizises
>the post without really understanding
>it. These kind of discussions are
>completely counterproductive. I'm
>feeling guilty too, because your post
>probably was intended towards the
>fast-lay community and I stepped in with
>a long-term seduction issue.
Actually, it was most definitely directed towarsd the entire community. The
basic idea is that you have to be relaxed, totally within your own reality, and
confident that you are an attractive person, rather than TRYING to attract
anyone. This is something that is core to both my and ijjjji's games, and
actually applies to both fast seduction and relationships.
I wish you had looked at the post on a larger scale instead of small-chunking
down to the individual examples I provided. The examples were there to try to
provide context clues so that people couild better understand a difficult
subject. And since my examples are based on fast seduction, I can understand
that you didn't like them. But the CONCEPT is still a good one for either camp.
If you had picked up on the basic meaning of my post, I bet you would have been
right with me, ESPECIALLY because of your bias for relationships. The essense
of my game is about being a MONEY GUY that girls are naturally drawn to, not
spitting routines and cavemanning her into bed.
>From what I wrote here, it should be
>clear that I'm not that interested in
>getting laid fast. If the opportunity is
>there, I grab it. But I don't go out in
>order to sarge women. This is too boring
>to me. I go out to have a drink and/or
>to talk with friends. Sometimes sex is
>offered virtually in front of my nose.
>If I'm in the mood I'll go for it
>(happened 3 times this year), if not I
>leave her alone. But I don't write
>reports about this, because it's a waste
>of time.
It could be argued that you have no place at FAST SEDUCTION.COM» since you are
not, in fact, interested in fast seduction. It is certainly counterproductive
to the mission of this board as a whole for people who don't like to "get laid
fast" to criticise people who do merely for this reason.
However, I have no problem discussing these issues because at this point in my
life, I'm no longer interested in ONS and fools mate. I'm not interested in a
"relationship", but I am interested in finding QUALITY GIRLS and KEEPING THEM
AROUND. I also don't really like "sarging". I'm with Style on this one. But I
still go out regularly with the Austin Society guys because THEY enjoy sarging
and it's a good way to spend some time with my friends... and I don't actually
have an aversion to getting laid. ;-)
In general, though, you should keep in mind that whatever your personal
preference, this board IS about "getting laid fast". If you disagree with a
post simply because it is about fast seduction rather than relationships, this
is not the place for it. But like I said, I can't actually fault you for not
enjoying the sarging process or fools mates because I don't really enjoy those
things either. ;-)
I guess the one thing I would want is for people who have a relationship frame
to understand that their view IS (rightfully so) the minority here and to post
accordingly in threads that ARE designed for the fast seductionists.
Ok, there are two things. The other is what I wrote in the original post: If
you don't have any LRs, this means that you are probably not GETTING LAID. I
realize that many of you will object, "I AM TOO getting laid, I just don't post
LRs." I understand. I don't post LRs all the time because I'm too lazy. I
probably post one LR for every TEN girls I actually lay (in fact, doing some
quick calculations, this is about right, lol). But I DO post them on a pretty
regular basis because I get laid on a regular basis. If you get laid on an
irregular basis, I imagine it would be easier for you to write the LR, because
it would be so new and exciting for you.
If you are not getting laid, NONE of your techniques or theories are correct.
The only way you could provide accurate seduction advice is by accident. This
isn't me trying to be mean, this is a simple fact. Guys who aren't getting laid
need to be ASKING for advice, not giving it.
Think about it... if you aren't getting laid, then nothing you do actually
WORKS.
It's fine if you're into relationships and don't like fools mate. I understand
where you're coming from. But don't criticise posts that are designed for the
fast seduction community. You simply don't know what you're talking about. You
don't have any experience.
BTW, "you" here isn't specifically directed to hotlab. It's any guy who doesn't
post LRs and tries to give advice to other AFCs.
>I'm interested in relationships, either
>full-blown or FB-wise with women who
>really intrigue me, but unfortunately
>they aren't that easy to find. I wrote
>about my field activities regarding them
>here but got busted by the followers of
>the fast-lay philosophy and so finally
>stopped because it was too annoying.
Whether you (hotlab) are interested in full-blown LTR or FBs, you at some point
have to get that first lay, right? I mean, you don't start fucking them in
medias res, do you? ;-)
If this is the case, you have a LR to post. Even if you only post a few, that's
FINE. But NONE? In my opinion, it is unacceptable for someone with NO LRs to be
posting advice to help other people GET LAID.
That would be like me posting to a professional gambler's forum. I play a lot
of poker. But I'm not a professional. So I wouldn't know what I'm talking
about. So I don't pretend to be a professional gambler and give real pro
gamblers advice about tournaments and so forth.
>A field report about my current target
>will follow as soon as the deal is
>closed. But it will be very short,
>because it's almost impossible to write
>about everything that happened. It's a
>slow seduction, but it's a seduction,
>where I finally will have her for good,
>as opposed to the attract/fuck/dump
>procedure.
You do realize that the attract/fuck/dump procedure is only ONE possible out
come of a fast seduction, right?
What about the attract/fuck/keep -around-for-as-long-as-you-want to procedure?
Or the attract/fuck/get-married (*cough* mystery *cough*) procedure? ;-)
Not all of us "fast seduction" boys are heartless bastards who dump our girls
immediately. Style has like 8 girlfriends. Tyler has 5 or 6 last time I
checked. Either way, the simple fact is that if you can't or don't want to lay
them QUICKLY, this is probably not the forum for you unless you are here to
learn HOW to lay them quickly.
>Anyway a LR just for you, which happened
>at a party into May 1st in a small town.
>Her, UG5, rather fat, somewhat tipsy
>starts talking to me. Soon we talk about
>sex. I kino her and bust her by using
>dirty language. She's offended but
>intrigued. Finally we go to her place,
>she sucks my cock and then we fuck. It
>was a good fuck. I think she was hot
>because of my dirty language. End of LR.
Uh... ok... maybe I should have made my post a bit more specific: If you aren't
getting laid with HOT girls, don't advise other people on how to lay HOT girls.
You do like fucking hot girls, don't you? Maybe you're like jlaiz and you only
like fatties. ;-)
Seriously, I KNOW you can do better than this. It doesn't have to be a
same-night lay. My last lay took three meets. THREE MEETS! OMG! But she's a
hottie and she's super cool AND a real challenge so I persisted. I understand
not writing a LR about this kind of thing, which must be even harder in your
case since I guess your seductions are even slower, because I'm not going to
post one. But still, if you don't know how to get laid fast, as evidenced by
your lack of LRs, don't give advice to guys looking to get laid fast.
If you want to argue a fast seduction / slow seduction issue, we can make a big
post about it in General and I would be very interested in discussing it, but
don't bring it up in posts designed to help people get LAID. ESPECIALLY in
posts that are actually good advice for both sides!
>I never follow this kind of approach
>with a woman I'm really interested in,
>so there's nothing to learn from that
>apart from the fact, that there are
>opportunities, that have to be
>recognized and grabbed (which BTW I had
>to learn myself).
Ah. I see. You don't FAST seduce quality girls. You SLOW seduce them. Does this
involve long moonlit walks on the beach and you being a lame-ass AFC? If not,
do you realize that you could get laid SOONER AND keep them around longer with
FAST SEDUCTION? Girls fall for me much harder when I seduce them faster, in my
experience. They are MORE likely to stick around if I game them quickly and
game them well. They're like OMG, who is this amazing guy? They have to
backwards rationalize that they LOVE me so they can accept the fact that they
slept with me so quickly.
I hope you don't think I'm ATTACKING you personally. This has nothing to do
with you on a personal level. You could be a money guy or you could be a total
lame-ass. I have no idea. I'm inclined to believe the former because most guys
I've met in this community are money guys or at least genuine and cool on some
level. But that doesn't matter. I just don't want misinformation coming from
guys who aren't getting laid to influence recovering AFCs looking for solid
advice on how to get laid.
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Harmless
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