mASF post by "Jestor111"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, September 9, 2003On 9/21/03 9:12:06 AM, finalD wrote:
>Jestor111 wrote at Sun, 21 Sep
>2003 06:44:00 GMT in
>news:[email protected]
>astseduction.com:
>
>> Persistance until a
>DEFINATE
>
>persistence
>
>definite
>
>Jeez ... that's basic ...
>
>OK, as to your question. How
>to persist without seeming to
>be
>desparate ... wait, I mean
>desperate ...
>
>That's the conundrum, isn't
>it? I mean, are you asking how
>to
>persist, or are you asking
>whether or not you ought to
>persist,
>and in which circumstances you
>ought to or not? I think those
>two questions are rather
>different.
I think some persistance is always good, but in the sense that you are leading
her, like back to your place. And that you're putting the moves on her.
You're just NOT going ALL OUT to get the lay necessarily. Note that i'm ONLY
talking about holding back the very FIRST time you meet a girl, MAYBE sometimes
the second.
However, if the chick is practically "begging" you to fuck her then (duh) fuck
her, but OTHERWISE it may be best to hold back a bit.
There are girls (esp the hotter ones) that just WILL NOT go all the way the
FIRST (sometimes second) time, unless you are a seduction GURU of course :)
Knowing this, isn't it better to hold back a bit (the first time) in some
instances, and NOT go all out to get rejected or get the lay?
And even if you COULD have gotten the lay by persisting a little bit more, what
is wrong with holding back a bit anyway (especially in those instances where
you will see the girl again, or are very likely too)? The problem i'm
realizing is that with some girls there is a risk of pushing them away by
persisting TOO much. Some persistance is always good but I'm talking about TOO
much, like repeated attempts at taking off her panties, repeated attempts at
going for the lay.
But how about, during the FIRST meet, you just make out with her, maybe finger
her, rub her tits etc and tell her "let's take it slow". If in YOUR mind you
KNOW it will likely be TOUGH to break down her resistance that first time
anyway why not just HOLD BACK and reverse the frame a bit, which 1) doesn't
trigger her ASD and 2) makes you more of a challenge and 3) makes her want to
see you again because she doesn't feel pressured, more comfort
3) is particularly tough to gauge. If you got the lay (maybe through
persistance) then she WILL most certainly want to see you again (because she
gave away her power, she's yours). But IF you did NOT get the lay, despite a
lot of persistance on your part, then MAYBE she will feel pressured to have sex
(too soon) and NOT want to see you again (flake). So in this case it would
DEFINATELY have been better to hold back a bit at the beginning.
3) has happened to me, this one girl got freaked out and flaked on me because I
guess, in her mind, I went for too much too fast. And also, in my experience,
I noticed several times that some girls just would NOT put out on that first
get together. And this was especially true for the hotter girls, like HB8+.
There's a strong RULE among women to NOT put out the FIRST time, especially the
hotter girls. IMO this needs to be calibrated with.
>
>One. I've decided to persist.
>How do I go about doing it?
>Pushy?
>Physical? Whining? Requesting?
>Not taking no for an answer?
>Or
>what?
>
>Two. I don't know whether to
>persist or not. When should I
>persist? When is it
>ineffective?
>
>I think the first question is
>much more difficult to answer.
>The
>second one -- when should I?
>-- is pretty obvious. Always.
>Always persist.
Yes but not to the extreme, necessarily.
>
>The second question is the
>crux of the matter. HOW you
>persist
>is the main thing. You will
>seem desperate, if you persist
>in a
>desperate and needy way. But
>if you can go about it (in my
>experience, I'm thinking back
>to successful lays) in a way
>that
>is rather "non needy" then you
>succeed. There was never a
>"please please" in my mind,
>always a "take it or leave it,
>lady." I think that's the key.
The question is not about having the "take it or leave it" attitude. The
question is about whether or not to have the "take it or leave it" attitude the
FIRST time (even second time) you meet with a girl, and how much to persist and
how much to hold back. The key is calibrating. And eventually you should get
to the "take it or leave it" point, like after 3-4 get togethers say. I just
don't think that attitude is necessarily the best to have right away with the
girl, IMO.
The "let's take it slow" frame is not nearly discussed enough even though it
can be the BEST way to get laid with some chicks, ie- the hotter ones. Clearly
this frame is beyond RAFC level.
>
>
>--
>The surest way to corrupt a
>youth is to instruct him to
>hold in
>higher esteem those who think
>alike than those who think
>differently.
>
>Friedrich Nietzsche
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