mASF post by "gunwitch"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, June 6, 2002On 6/25/02 10:00:00 PM, Positively Male wrote:
>On 6/25/02 1:15:00 PM, gunwitch wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>>THATS the biggest fallacy of
>>ASF, "their minds work
>>different", WOMEN say they do
>>(may as well go along with
>>everybody), SOCIETY says they
>>do(dont wanna make ugly guys
>>feel bad, women have to be
>>special in SOME way) ,
>>seduction gurus say they do
>>(cant sell simplicity). They
>>are just like us though.
>
>Gunwitch, I have a few questions and
>observations, about your recent posts.
>
>How did you feel about yourself, when
>(before you started working out, losing
>weight, etc.) you called yourself
>(correct me if I am not right) "short,
>bald, fat and ugly"?
>
>I have no doubt that the game is easier
>for you now. I do wonder, though, was it
>the women who decided you now look good,
>or YOU? Obviously, your self-image has
>changed radically. Probably both are
>true, but how much of your confidence
>came from looking in the mirror, and
>better liking who YOU saw, as opposed to
>seeing yourself as "short, bald, fat and
>ugly"?
Not bald, litte receding hair but thats it. Id say i thought i was
unattractive cause i was. Maybe i was just mediocre?
I dont think "how you feel about yourself is how others feel about you" is
accurate. I think what they SEE is how they feel about you. Its beterto be a
drug addicted, abusive, rapist in womens eyes than an overweight individal. You
really have to prove ALOT more when you are overweight than when you look good.
Thats proof to me that i had to try harer before thni do now.
>When you were getting women before, did
>you somehow feel that you did not
>"deserve" them? Is this also what you
>imply now, about men that you would not
>call handsome?
I never have felt i do or dont deserve women really. Ive alwas kinda thought
we owe it to each other to have some sex. So yeah i always kinda thought i
deserve em, im a man arent I? That hasnt really changed.
>I might have missed
>something in another post, so I'll also
>ask: Do you make differentiation between
>things you can change (like, weight,
>clothing, hygiene) and things you cannot
>(like, a misshaped nose, or other things
>one could be born with)?
I really think body fat levels are 80-90% of a guys looks.
>At this point, I am waiting for the post
>(unless I've already missed it) where
>you will say, "100%!! It's **100%**
>LOOKS!!" This concerns me in the sense
>of some of your recent posts maybe being
>yet another discouragement (which we
>DON'T need) to a good number of men who
>might feel, "I've been told that I am
>ugly, so why try?"
My "matching model" illustrated that i think its looks/effort combo which
determines success. A guy whos a 5 in looks landing a new 10HB every week?
NOPE. A guy whos a 6 landing a new 8 or 9 every week? NO PROBLEM, WITH the
right effort.
>By the way, I am not selling anything to
>anyone, nor have I bought anything, so I
>have no financial interest in anything
>here. I just want to get at the truth -
>what works, what can be changed, and
>what cannot. Also, just because someone
>is selling something, does not mean that
>it does not work.
I dont think you can effectively sell somehing if you dont think it doesnt
work in the firt place. I just think these marketer posters are WAY less open
minded when their livelyhood is challenged compared to a guy who evaluates
tecniques for personal use. I have no interest in debating anybody whos got a
website.
>I don't think you are a "troll" at all.
>I think a troll is someone who just
>posts something to get a reaction. It is
>clear to me that you truly believe what
>you say.
>
>You have posted some useful things, and
>I in no way want to take away from that.
>I think you do seek the truth.
Thanks
>One last question: Would you REALLY beg
>for sex, if you "had to"... ?
If i KNEW it would work, why not, gets my dick wet.
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