mASF post by "Supastar"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, January 1, 2002When women give men advice on how to pick up women, they grossly
oversimplify things: "just be yourself" and so on. Similarly, I think that
when you ask men for advice on how to pick up men, you will get skewed
advice. From our perspective, it seems like we are doing all the work to
make things happen and so we say things like "Just kino them," thinking that
forward behavior like a woman would be appreciated. In practice, however,
it is not that easy... I have been approached and kino'd by many women and
my first reaction is to think, "what is wrong with this girl? If she is
desperate enough to approach me rather than waiting for me to approach her,
there must be something wrong with her..." Sometimes even with very
attractive girls I have found myself thinking this.
So there is definitely a fine balance to be struck between aggressiveness
and passivity. I think that is a balance that we men cannot give to you,
but rather one you must learn through field testing and practice... and THEN
you, the female PUA, can come back here and share your wisdom with the other
ladies who want to learn the art.
V wrote in message <[email protected]>...
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><JackieM> wrote ...
>> Vilar overstates or misses the boat sometimes. For example, she
>> states that women are pleased when a man expresses interest in them,
>> any man at all. She says that the guy's looks don't matter. She
>> should really be saying that a woman who induces a SOI from a man who
>> infrequently does so (or otherwise appears choosy) or is "taken"
>> raises her esteem with other women. No esteem from getting hit on by
>> the drunk who is hitting on everyone. High esteem from the attractive
>> man hitting on her if his attractiveness is indeed reflected in
>> appearing choosy.
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>Hmmm - interesting points. I'll have to read a little more about/from Vilar
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>> You want to actually pick up guys? Just kino them. Only warpigs need
>> advice on picking up guys.
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>Guess that makes me a warpig, then ;-)
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>Seriously ... I'm not sure its really accurate to suggest that while there
>is purpose in this forum for men to discuss seduction tips, women would
have
>them intuitively or that it wouldn't matter what they did/said if their
>appearance was acceptable. In my experience men are a little more
discerning
>than that.
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>While looks may be a larger percentage of the deal when describing female
>appeal I hope it is still the case that personality counts. I'm not just
>talking about club type scenarios where the guy you're going to pull
>probably won't engage in more than five sentences of conversation before
you
>get him in a clinch - in other social scenarios you can't just meet eye to
>eye with a guy on the opposite side of the room, bat your eyelashes, make
>for the door and know he'll follow you. I guess its more these kind of
>challenging situations I'm focusing on.
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>Moreover, I'm curious as to the difference that would have to be employed
to
>'sell' to a guy rather than 'sell' to a girl - curiosity out of
>psychological interest as well as any use it may be for PU. While doing a
PU
>on a female target may involve evoking emotional states that are desirable,
>the more 'rational' judgement of a male target may mean that this won't
>work, or that it will work but that the PUA would be working to evoke
>*different* emotional states. Of course every individual is slightly
>different, but I imagine there must be male vs. female trends.
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>In my case I think a little more practical experimentation is required ;-)
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>V
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