mASF post by "ox"
posted on: mASF forum: Field Reports Discussion, June 6, 2005On 6/17/05 6:03:00 AM, razorjack wrote:
>> From: Ox
>>
>> Ok. all shit a side you did a great job at explaining your point. thanks and
mad props, you are
>> a great teacher...i like the way you used the q&a format, i am sure you are
having a lot of
>> success at explaining your method this way. I think it was the greek
phylosophers who started
>> with this technique..thanks for taking the time in your busy schedule.
>
>You're welcome, bro! Yes I
>knew that there was a
>misunderstanding and the only
>way I could get
>past that was to have a
>conversation with myself!
>Haha! :)
i am glad we have put unpleasantries aside. it is a powerful technique if you
know how to use it.
>
>> having said that, your method is based on body language and tonality and
subcommunication...
>
>When it comes to attraction,
>then yes I think you're right.
>
>But I'll be the first one to
>admit that I really suck at
>examining and explaining what
>I do and
>how what I do works.
you might want to look into this if you want to teach somebody your method.
remember that students might not be coming from where you are coming from.
Actually most students(aka, me) come from needy and clingy backgrounds and
might find difficult relating to you as a teacher..actually you can spook them
out.
>
>> i
>> dont see the difference with indirect there.
>
>YES, EXACTLY! There is no
>difference!
>
>THAT was my point all along!
>Attraction is attraction no
>matter what type of game
>you're running.
>
>What I was trying to show you
>here is how direct game works
>with the 9s and 10s we were
>talking
>about.
>
>I was NOT saying that
>everybody should do direct to
>attract 9s and 10s. I hope you
>see that.
yeah, i hear you. i thought about the same thing. these targets could be
approached both ways, i would be interested in the percentage of success...but
again we can never find out about that. this is an art not science.
>
>> i think this is where "the east meets the west". in
>> indirect we try to subcommunicate higher value the same way, which is
basically what you are
>> doing. difference is that you are dropping the routines and the dhv´s from
the equation and
>> possibly jumping into rapport as quickly as possible
>
>Yes, well put! This is exactly
>what I'm doing!
>
>> again i dont know because the
>> technicalities you dont explain or you dont have the time to go to details
but it is what i am
>> guessing.
>
>Well it's not that. To be
>honest, I don't know HOW to
>explain cuz I'm a natural. I
>take so MANY
>things for granted. I have the
>toughest time analyzing what I
>do and how it works.
again you might wanna go into that for the sake of your students.
>Maybe when rp_5150 gets here
>in july, he'll write up a post
>and explain to me and you guys
>how I'm
>doing things! Haha! :)
>
>> Still the question of cockblocks and group theory is still something that i
scratch my head
>> about. why not disarming obstacles sooner rather than later? but again i
suppose is a question
>> of styles and method.
>
>Yeah, I know dude. It's not
>easy if you can't see this in
>real life. You have to be good
>at
>reading body langauge and
>social dynamics. I think
>that's one of my strengths, I
>usually know what
>chicks are thinking before
>they do! :)
that is called voodoo, ha,ha...again this is a tough one to teach beginners.
>One chick even told me she
>thought it was scary how I
>know so much about chicks! :)
>
>> you need really a heck of a frame to pull this off...i mean really, you need
a super frame to
>> pull this off.
>
>Yes, definitely! I know alot
>of guys can't do this. The
>guys that can pull this off
>are ones that
>have been in the game for some
>time and wanting to simply
>things.
i believe some guys, including rsd guys, are symplyfying this process of
indirect a lot..meaning going more direct. they are even opening like you do
but mostly for 2 sets and lonewolfs, which i dont have a problem with your
method there. i think your method would be highly effective with those groups.
Big groups i would like to see it done. he,he...anyway, very cool. i really
learned a lot about direct thanks to you. thanks a pile.
>But if you want, I got a post
>from last year that I wrote
>about where I first discovered
>this
>concept after a discussion
>with TD and ijjjji. It's in
>the archives called "The
>Asshole Rock Star
>Style"
i will try to get it...it is hard though, i have tried search bottom before and
i dont get shit.
, maybe it will help you
>see where I'm coming from.
>
>> again thanks for taking the time.
>
>You're welcome bro! I'm glad I
>got my point across.
>
>Peace man!
same
ox
walking
>
>-Razorjack
>
>"Why do we chase women instead
>of settling for one - like
>most of the other guys in the
>world? No clue. We are a
>unique class of guys. Maybe we
>got cut off too early from our
>mother's milk - so we spend
>the rest of our lives looking
>for that same titty again." -
>Zan
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